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I agree with Jason on trying to keep like schools and football together to form a conference. I would likely sacrifice the football requirement for key markets... I would like to be strong in St. Louis, Indy, and Nashville. If we can touch Cinci that's good too... so here is my "dream" alignment conference... It combines the Ohio Valley, Tenn Valley, Mo Valley, and you guessed it Wabash Valley to form the BIG Valley (BIGV) with 18 teams. LOL OK - let me put down the crack pipe... LOL It has nice rivalries and rekindles ones they need rekindled... It's BIG so I assume it gets split or teams play one time in basketball, etc. Football has an issue - too many football teams so a couple don't play each other every season. I think the bigegst conference to date has 15 teams - so this would actually earn it's name as BIGV. This is better than the MVC IMHO. 18 teams in a tight geographic circle and very KEY markets. So here is the BIGV.

1 Indiana State University
2 St. Louis
3 Butler
4 IUPUI
5 Southern Illinois
6 Murray State University
7 Eastern Illinois
8 Eastern Kentucky
9 Belmont
10 SIUE
11 SEMO
12 NKU
13 Tenn Tech
14 Illinois State
15 UTChat
16 UE
17 APSU
18 UT Martin

Football
1 Indiana State University
2 Butler (Indy market and rival)
3 Southern Illinois (rival)
4 Murray State
5 Eastern Illinois
6 Eastern Kentucky
7 SEMO
8 Tenn Tech
9 Illinois State
10 UTChat
11 APSU
12 UT Martin


No Football
1 IUPUI (taps into Indy market and potential geographic rival)
2 Belmont (taps into Nashville market and WOULD be rival)
3 NKU (taps into Cinci market)
4 UE (questionable... but rival)
5 St. Louis (taps into St. Louis market and gives them strong geographic rivals)
6 SIUE (also taps into St. Louis)

Indy (2 schools)
Cinci (1 school) Eastern KY decently close also
Nashville (2 schools)
St. Louis (2 schools)
Chat (1 school)
"I" think these are important markets for recruiting students and athletes in addition to alumni events. Remember it's a win/win for all schools... alumni events at games in key cities for all. Recruiting in key cities for all.
Please note - several of these football schools where playoff bound last year. Pretty strong.
 
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There is no point even mentioning a MAC or Big East school in your dream conference scenario. They're not going to give up BCS payout split (in terms of MAC) or NCAA tourney shares (in terms of Big East) for example.
 

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I think Butler can be worth mentioning.... I mean - I don't think their move is working as well as they hoped.. if a new alignment is formed where they have geographic rivalries and a few like schools... who knows.... But I think St. Louis, Butler, Belmont, UE are like school privates and can be a nice private rivalry scenerio within a BIGV - they can create their own little rivalry gig within the BIGV. and i Know you want football schools in your dream. LOL understand why too... Butler isn't a BCS school or any Big East - right?
 
southernindianaballer said:
I think Butler can be worth mentioning.... I mean - I don't think their move is working as well as they hoped.. if a new alignment is formed where they have geographic rivalries and a few like schools... who knows.... But I think St. Louis, Butler, Belmont, UE are like school privates and can be a nice private rivalry scenerio within a BIGV - they can create their own little rivalry gig within the BIGV. and i Know you want football schools in your dream. LOL understand why too...
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The Big East visibility is worth a truckload to them to be considered amongst those other academic institutions. Even without the visibility, like I said, no way they would leave that Big East media deal and NCAA tournament share. Even if they aren't very good, they're on ESPN and attracting top talent because they're in the storied Big East.

For more information on tournament shares, read this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...gle-ncaa-tournament-win-is-worth-1-6-million/

Media deal worth reported $500m over 12 years (equates to $4m per year per school): http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...r-butler-creighton-signs-tv-contract/2002227/
 
Jason Svoboda said:
The Big East visibility is worth a truckload to them to be considered amongst those other academic institutions. Even without the visibility, like I said, no way they would leave that Big East media deal and NCAA tournament share. Even if they aren't very good, they're on ESPN and attracting top talent because they're in the storied Big East.

For more information on tournament shares, read this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...gle-ncaa-tournament-win-is-worth-1-6-million/

Media deal worth reported $500m over 12 years (equates to $4m per year per school): http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...r-butler-creighton-signs-tv-contract/2002227/
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Curious... What kinda TV deal do you think a BIGV conference could muster? Anything at all? It would have St. Louis, Butler, Belmont, Murray, and ISU? Don't forget TV markets in Indy, St. Louis, Nashville, Chat, & Cinci. Key audience areas help? Better deal than the MVC can create?
 
Jason Svoboda said:
There is no point even mentioning a MAC or Big East school in your dream conference scenario. They're not going to give up BCS payout split (in terms of MAC) or NCAA tourney shares (in terms of Big East) for example.
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Jason, how can you be sure that those "tweeners," the schools that our NOT in the "Power 5" but are currently classified FBS (i.e MAC, Sun Belt) are going to continue that payout split? The Power 5 certainly will not want to pay them and until the NCAA makes a FINAL decision on how this is going to play out, I totally disagree that they all will continue at what's left of non-Power football without taking a look at the final plans. You are probably right but unless you know something I don't, it hasn't been decided yet.

It's the same scenario with many of the FCS schools because nothing has been decided on at their level either.
 
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Realignment dream

Just saying... if a realignment ever were to happen.... it could be BIG and could be better. If people were to come together for the good of all - A very nice conference can be built.
 

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Bally #47 said:
Jason, how can you be sure that those "tweeners," the schools that our NOT in the "Power 5" but are currently classified FBS (i.e MAC, Sun Belt) are going to continue that payout split? The Power 5 certainly will not want to pay them and until the NCAA makes a FINAL decision on how this is going to play out, I totally disagree that they all will continue without taking a look at the final plans. You are probably right but if you know something I don't, it hasn't been decided yet.

It's the same scenario with many of the FCS schools because nothing has been decided on at their level either.
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It's what they agreed to when they ditched the BCS and moved to the CFP at the conclusion of 2013. I believe they signed a 12 year deal so they're set until 2025 at the very least. After that, you're right, maybe the P5 pushes the rest out. Who knows by then.

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/revenue-distribution
 
Jason Svoboda said:
It's what they agreed to when they ditched the BCS and moved to the CFP at the conclusion of 2013. I believe they signed a 12 year deal so they're set until 2025 at the very least. After that, you're right, maybe the P5 pushes the rest out. Who knows by then.

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/revenue-distribution
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Thanks for the info. I will dive into that so I know better what I am talking about. I was not aware it was a done deal. Since at least half of the MAC falls short of 1-A "requirements'' do you think the NCAA will continue to look the other way?
 
Bally #47 said:
Thanks for the info. I will dive into that so I know better what I am talking about. I was not aware it was a done deal. Since at least half of the MAC falls short of 1-A "requirements'' do you think the NCAA will continue to look the other way?
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Yeah, I do. The media deals are subsizing poor attendance a bit. With attendance dropping for everyone, I'm going to guess that those requirements eventually go away.
 
southernindianaballer said:
I agree with Jason on trying to keep like schools and football together to form a conference. I would likely sacrifice the football requirement for key markets... I would like to be strong in St. Louis, Indy, and Nashville. If we can touch Cinci that's good too... so here is my "dream" alignment conference... It combines the Ohio Valley, Tenn Valley, Mo Valley, and you guessed it Wabash Valley to form the BIG Valley (BIGV) with 18 teams. LOL OK - let me put down the crack pipe... LOL It has nice rivalries and rekindles ones they need rekindled... It's BIG so I assume it gets split or teams play one time in basketball, etc. Football has an issue - too many football teams so a couple don't play each other every season. I think the bigegst conference to date has 15 teams - so this would actually earn it's name as BIGV. This is better than the MVC IMHO. 18 teams in a tight geographic circle and very KEY markets. So here is the BIGV.

1 Indiana State University
2 St. Louis
3 Butler
4 IUPUI
5 Southern Illinois
6 Murray State University
7 Eastern Illinois
8 Eastern Kentucky
9 Belmont
10 SIUE
11 SEMO
12 NKU
13 Tenn Tech
14 Illinois State
15 UTChat
16 UE
17 APSU
18 UT Martin

Football
1 Indiana State University
2 Butler (Indy market and rival)
3 Southern Illinois (rival)
4 Murray State
5 Eastern Illinois
6 Eastern Kentucky
7 SEMO
8 Tenn Tech
9 Illinois State
10 UTChat
11 APSU
12 UT Martin


No Football
1 IUPUI (taps into Indy market and potential geographic rival)
2 Belmont (taps into Nashville market and WOULD be rival)
3 NKU (taps into Cinci market)
4 UE (questionable... but rival)
5 St. Louis (taps into St. Louis market and gives them strong geographic rivals)
6 SIUE (also taps into St. Louis)

Indy (2 schools)
Cinci (1 school) Eastern KY decently close also
Nashville (2 schools)
St. Louis (2 schools)
Chat (1 school)
"I" think these are important markets for recruiting students and athletes in addition to alumni events. Remember it's a win/win for all schools... alumni events at games in key cities for all. Recruiting in key cities for all.
Please note - several of these football schools where playoff bound last year. Pretty strong.
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I would also have the option for privates and publics to create their own seasonal conference championship. Only good for recognition but good for excitement and more TV. There would be seasonal championships for public, private, and overall. In addition there would be the conference tournaments. Football would only have overall winner. It's BIG.
 
southernindianaballer said:
I think Butler can be worth mentioning.... I mean - I don't think their move is working as well as they hoped.. if a new alignment is formed where they have geographic rivalries and a few like schools... who knows.... But I think St. Louis, Butler, Belmont, UE are like school privates and can be a nice private rivalry scenerio within a BIGV - they can create their own little rivalry gig within the BIGV. and i Know you want football schools in your dream. LOL understand why too... Butler isn't a BCS school or any Big East - right?
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why don't you think their move as worked as well as they'd hoped? they've spent 1/2 the season ranked, they beat ncaa 'darling' unc... they lost to iu but frankly, they're a better team than the loosiers...

I doubt they're really upset at leaving the ATL-10 (14)
 

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4Q_iu said:
why don't you think their move as worked as well as they'd hoped? they've spent 1/2 the season ranked, they beat ncaa 'darling' unc... they lost to iu but frankly, they're a better team than the loosiers...

I doubt they're really upset at leaving the ATL-10 (14)
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All the while making $6-10m+ more per year in revenues because of this move.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
All the while making $6-10m+ more per year in revenues because of this move.
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Butler has always beat quality teams throughout their regular season or least they have the last 8 years or so. UNC is not my darling. But I digress. How many sports does Butler have in the Big east? How many bus trips do they have vs flights? Just saying that revenue you guys speak of might not be going very far. If the BIGs are struggling with athletic expenses I'm sure they are too. Look at the travel issues. At least IU has bus trips for several conference games.
 
If St. Louis and Dayton join MVC and then our football only schools come on board with all sports..... hmmmm all is good. An east and west mvc.
 
southernindianaballer said:
If St. Louis and Dayton join MVC and then our football only schools come on board with all sports..... hmmmm all is good. An east and west mvc.
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So you want a MVC that is current membership, plus Dayton, St Louis, the 3 Dakota schools, Youngstown City College and Western Illinois...

Recommend you read the history of the current WAC from ~1962 thru today...

The 'ideal' size for a conference is ~10-12; anything larger and the span of control becomes ridiculous. The MBB, WBB, baseball and football schedules should be double round-robin/round-robin.
 
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