My caveat for dropping football is that Curtis has to go too!
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Just curious - Keep football or don't?
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It's not about "wanting to support the Sycamores." And even if it was, would you rather support an athletic program that wins without football, or a program that sucks with football? Because we've all been supporting a program that, for the last 40 years, basically sucks.
At some point, we should expect more from Sycamore Athletics. 40 years of pretty much sucking in everything has killed the program. Maybe we should try something different. Maybe we, as fans, friends, and alumni, should demand winning. And doing what's best for the program, rather than what's always been done.
I was all in on football until reality paid me a visit a couple years back. There is NO hope for that program. Being a good steward of the money entrusted to the program demands a better use of resources.
You’d be hard pressed to find anyone on here that will debate this point. As I said the other day - a lot of fundamental issues with Indiana State that are much greater than football.
In addition to opportunity cost, we need to add anecdotal evidence to next week's vocabulary test.
That Butler team had Gordon Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Brad Stevens, and a lot of luck fall their way two years in a row. Lots of things that will never happen again. They eventually lost Brad and their next coach, and then their program tanked. Now they spend a bunch of money and are a complete joke. About as bad as DePaul who is also completely irrelevant these days.
I also forgot about VCU who also got called up to the A10 from the CAA some time after their Final 4 run. If Wichita wasn't so far west they would have received the same call.
Yep. Luck. You nailed it. Lots of luck. That’s it. That’s the secret sauce. Not money, not hiring the right people and giving them the financial support they need (like a recruiting budget that allows you the chance to go find a player like Mack or Hayward). Just luck. It’s all so simple yet I failed to see it.
And where does Indiana State football find this luck you speak of? It seems to happen for other programs but never for Indiana State in football. Is there a way to increase our chances of receiving more luck?
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But yet… Here you are recalling all of those programs and what they accomplished. D1AA football - you get it. You finally get it! You made our point as you sit here and regurgitate how good those teams were.
The thing that’s beautiful is you’ve said soooo much you keep talking yourself into a corner.
In conference realignment Butler got hot at the right moment and got lucky that the (old) Big East split when it did. If it had split a couple years earlier or a couple of years later they would probably still be in the Atlantic 10. The "Catholic 7" plus Creighton and Xavier needed a 10th member and they chose the recent media darling that wasn't Catholic.
Seriously guy, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart,......just take the "L" on this one and move on.
If this is the best argument that you can make, after being show several ways that Butler improved in basketball by increasing the amount they spent, that is was just "good luck", then surrender and take the L
I guess you've never heard of 1AA programs like Appalachian State, Marshall, NDSU, SDSU, Montana, James Madison, Boise State, Youngstown State, and Georgia Southern. Appalachian State only has the biggest upset in probably all of college football history and people still talk about it.
You know better… challenge someone else. You ain’t winning vs me bud.
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Absolutely! These guys are trying to ROI you to death. We still have to fund other men’s sports to keep our basketball team in the discussion. We know football loses money. Just like 95% of D-1 Schools. But something is better than Nothing! ROI that!
Uhhhhhh…………what?
Yet Butler increased their basketball budget without dropping their football program, because they still have one.
“ROI that” so strong… stop it. That’s difficult to overcome!
Right. Problem is they either don't believe the math or they don't know how to do the math. ISU operates at the D1 minimum currently, so if we drop football we have to add other sports to remain D1 compliant and still pay for other coaching staffs, equipment, room and board, tuition, etc. If we save $2M after all of that we're really only saving $750K-$1M because we lose the big FBS payday plus the ticket sales that the new sports won't receive. If we give the remaining $1M we saved to MBB we're at Bradley, UNI, and Missouri State spending levels and none of those teams are world beaters by any means. Our attendance for basketball probably remains close to the same and in the mean time we lost our football program over it. There's a reason everyone else isn't doing / trying it.
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What? That’s all you guys are talking about? Drop football, then good luck selling tickets or getting a payday with men’s golf, tennis, swimming ect…
So, can we expect those 4,530 to pony up $1,111 per capita on an annual basis? That will just cover the current budget - no room for improved facilities, NiL deals, etc
what does Ind State have in common with any of those programs?
No one believes your math
Who's paying ISU $750K - $1M to play football? Eastern Illinois? Ball State?? Certainly not iu
With your logic, math skills - perhaps that's why ISU is (allegedly) "millions in debt..."
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