No doubt this was a huge loss. We wouldn't have gotten Clemons if McIntosh had come. As good as McIntosh is, I still don't see us having enough other talent to have been any good this year.
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No doubt this was a huge loss. We wouldn't have gotten Clemons if McIntosh had come. As good as McIntosh is, I still don't see us having enough other talent to have been any good this year.
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I disagree. McIntosh is a game changer who makes others around him better and runs the offense without making stupid turnovers.
If I hadn't seen this play out the same way a few times here at ISU, I'd be inclined to give him one more season. But, two mediocre years and this nightmare of a season, coupled with the fact that we obviously haven't done a good job recruiting, leads me to believe that next year won't be any better. In fact, it could be worse. I understand wanting continuity, but he has done a really bad job this year. Now, if he shakes up his staff, I'm in. We still have a few games to go, so let's see what happens.
SycamoreBlue3209
The Newsom Level
The difference is McIntosh would have changed our recruiting. He would have helped draw better players to TH.
This x 100 and Joey Bennett was a coach and he should know this about good guard play at this level - he shouldn't need educating on that.
Keep in mind that the McIntosh class also saw a couple coaching changes (Butler and Northwestern) that saw us lose every prospect Lansing had spent a lot of time on. Northwestern also took Scottie Lindsay (we were first to offer and pretty much the only MM+ school coming to watch him all Summer) and Gavin Skelley. Butler, after the coaching issues, offered Kelan Martin and Tyler Wideman late and took both.
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BigBluTree
The White Level
Ron Greene seasons 11-17, 9-20, 7-21 & finally 4-24. Followed immediately by Tates Locke seasons of 8-20, 14-14, 13-15, 11-17 & finally 4-22. Not "Hell Week" but nearly "Hell Decade".
Will ISU hold out another year until the lowest low water mark is reached or can they already see the trend and be proactive and pull the plug before it really gets bad or is the bottoms out 4 wins still the exit standard ?
:sos::whiteflag::headscratch::bash:
Dont forget Royce took us to the second round of the 2001 NCAAs and then had season win totals of 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 13. And I Loved, LOVED Royce Waltman, the man was an Indiana (the state of) Basketball Legend, but he was kept on for probably 3 or 4 more season's than he should have (and then let go in a regrettably unceremonious way). Tim McGuire was FB coach here 7 years, 7! Never won more than 4 DI games in a season and had a three year stretch with 3 wins, 1 win, 3 wins, and then was kept for 3 more years! We currently have softball coach who averages 30+ losses a year over five years. The list could go on. Point is, we have a history of letting the bottom fall out before calling it quits on coaches.
Before you shout me down and call me a traitor for not saying everything about ISU athletics is great, just remember its not personal, its sports, the point of which is to win. Not just field a team, but win.
I think the ones that want to change coaches have short memories. Since the 70's, we have changed coaches several times to win more games. It doesn't work. If ISU had a rolling, country campus, attendance of 8000 screaming fans, and some winning tradition; we could get some players.
Do players go to IU for the coach?
Hard to believe, but yes some do. Some also go for the style of play. Some go for tradition and some go for more exposure and prestige.
I think the people holding ISU and Lansing accountable are awesome - I sincerely do. The second people stop being that way and questioning the program and the direction etc. etc. is the second everyone has stopped caring! So by all means please continue to question things, bitch and moan - not everything needs to be positive from everyone.
The problem is - many of you just come around to complain and ask for a coach to be dismissed. Forgetting anything and everything he's ever accomplished. Some of the complaints, bitching and moaning lack substance and perspective.
Carry on - everyone is allowed to have an opinion and we don't all have to like it.
The problem is - many of you just come around to complain and ask for a coach to be dismissed. Forgetting anything and everything he's ever accomplished. Some of the complaints, bitching and moaning lack substance and perspective.
Carry on - everyone is allowed to have an opinion and we don't all have to like it.
Greg Lansing is 4 wins away from being ISU's second -winningest D-1 coach in history (behind Royce) and third in all of ISU history (Royce and Klueh). And he will have done it in only 8 seasons (or 7 if we get a streak going the rest of this season). Please tell me again how he's not a good coach?
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Today's win was #119. 4 more wins and he's in 3d place. I think he's done well given our resources. Given that today's regular season is 28-30 games, I'm not sure tenure is the best measurement, IMO, tenure & winning percentage; post season is also a factor.
Yeah that's why I broke it down between all-time and D-1. Since going D-1 the schedules generally have been 25-28 games so I think it's a fair comparison to go back to the mid-70's.
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I will stand by my previous comments. Two or three good games in a season still does not do it for me. I don't accept mediocre. Drake was not exactly a powerhouse & Bradley most definitely not.
You don't accept mediocre?? That's rich considering you use tom landry as your avatar.... He had a losing record in the Super Bowl, a losing record in the NFC Conference Title game; finished his career as he opened it - multiple losing records. But you don't accept mediocre.
The team has had a tough season, part of that is on the staff; part on the players... EVERY team has ugly wins in their record. EVERY team will have wins vs. crappy teams. Happens every season
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
To even consider the Dallas Cowboys under Landry "mediocre" is insane...again, an example of someone gathering data from his KEYBOARD and never "living" the experience. Yes, I was PACKER fan in those dayz...hell, they were likely "mediocre" in your book! :whiteflag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Landry
BTW, he had twenty (20) consecutive winning seasons. How many has GL had?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Landry
BTW, he had twenty (20) consecutive winning seasons. How many has GL had?
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My bad. I forgot that everyone on this board is entitled to an opinion except me.
Whoa is me...
Your entitled to an opinion Joey. But you've been coaching and covering basketball your entire life. Guard play is king in college hoops. When was the last time Northwestern was 4th in the Big Ten and 18-4 overall on the season?? That kid absolutely is making the players around him better and would without a doubt have excelled in the MVC.
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Agree --- FWIW, someone should tell ace hunt to conduct some better research; John Longfellow's record at ISU is 122-64, not 120-59.
He coached 7 games during the 1954-55 season (they went 2-5) before heart issues forced him to resign. Paul Stem, the ass't coach that season, coached them over the next 3 games (2-1) before Paul Wolf stepped in and led the Trees to a record of 5-9 to finish the season; the final record for that year was 9-15. Duane Klueh came in the next season (1955-56) and remained the head coach thru the 1966-67 season.
pg. 11 has the coaching breakdown for the 1954-55 season.
http://scholars.indstate.edu/bitstr...diaguide-1955-1956.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
Bob Evans
The Starter Level
I would like to add that ISU gave Schellhase a quick firing and we ended up with Greene and Locke. I have always been a Lansing fan. I think he will recover from all this, it just doesn't happen overnight at a mid-major. We aren't 4-22 and we never will be under Lansing. One of those 4 win seasons (was it Greene's or Locke's?) had ISU finish a game against Wichita with only 2 players on the floor and down 40 points. That was rock bottom.