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I don't know the TV or $ numbers, but I do know that Boise State gets more TV distribution $ than everyone else in the Mountain West.
Okay here's what each team has brought in for the MWC since 2013 (bowl money and NCAAT money). It should also be noted that Hawaii is a MWC FB Only member (Big West for basketball and other sports).
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Probably won't happen, but the "Colorado to the Big 12" rumors are heating up again. Arizona is also supposedly interested. Arizona State and Utah prefer the Pac 12.
Wow, it looks like it's actually going to happen. Multiple reports: Big 12 president's have unanimously approved Colorado's addition to the Big 12 with CU regents meeting on Thursday (today) at 5PM ET to vote on move.
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Sources: Big 12 vote to accept Colorado passes
The Big 12's presidents and chancellors voted unanimously on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member on Wednesday night, sources told ESPN.
Colorado returning to Big 12? League presidents approve membership as Buffaloes consider leaving Pac-12
The Buffaloes appear to be ramping up efforts towards a return to the conference they helped found decades ago
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Link for the live stream of the regent's "special meeting" at 3 PM MT (5 ET) this afternoon.
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Special Board Meeting
The Board of Regents will hold a special board meeting on July 27, 2023, at 3:00 p.m. Agendas are posted prior to board meetings at https://go.boarddocs.com/co/cu/Board.nsf/Public The meeting will be live-streamed at https://cu.new.swagit.com/views/92/
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Reading posts on message boards and social media it seems as if every Colorado fan is thrilled with the move. For those that are unaware they were part of the "Big 8", and left the Big 12 about 10 years ago.
This is their Larry Bird. That's why.
Potential Realignment chain reaction from Colorado move:
Arizona --> Big 12
I'm not sure ASU and Utah bring enough value for the Big 12 (market duplication). I've heard that the ESPN pro-rata clause is for up to 16 schools, but the Fox pro-rata is only for up to 14 schools. Arizona would be the 14th.
San Diego State and SMU --> Pac 12
Gets Pac 12 up to 10 again. They may also have interest in Rice (Houston market) and Tulane.
MWC remains at 10.
Currently at 11 full members with Hawaii as a football affiliate. Not sure UTEP would bring enough value for MWC to want to replace SDSU.
Georgia State --> AAC
Gets them back to 14 with the Atlanta market. North Texas is in Denton and keeps them in the DFW region even if they lose SMU.
Middle Tennessee --> Sun Belt
Replaces GA State and gets them back into the Nashville region.
Western Kentucky --> MAC
WKU makes a push to get into the MAC and signs their GOR. They were reluctant to a year or so ago, but that changes with MTSU's exit.
CUSA adds interested FCS school(s).
Arizona --> Big 12
I'm not sure ASU and Utah bring enough value for the Big 12 (market duplication). I've heard that the ESPN pro-rata clause is for up to 16 schools, but the Fox pro-rata is only for up to 14 schools. Arizona would be the 14th.
San Diego State and SMU --> Pac 12
Gets Pac 12 up to 10 again. They may also have interest in Rice (Houston market) and Tulane.
MWC remains at 10.
Currently at 11 full members with Hawaii as a football affiliate. Not sure UTEP would bring enough value for MWC to want to replace SDSU.
Georgia State --> AAC
Gets them back to 14 with the Atlanta market. North Texas is in Denton and keeps them in the DFW region even if they lose SMU.
Middle Tennessee --> Sun Belt
Replaces GA State and gets them back into the Nashville region.
Western Kentucky --> MAC
WKU makes a push to get into the MAC and signs their GOR. They were reluctant to a year or so ago, but that changes with MTSU's exit.
CUSA adds interested FCS school(s).
does anyone watch Ga State, MTSU and WKU football? I doubt anyone in ATL even knows GSU is IN atlanta
I actually agree with this argument. The same one could be made for UIC who can't even draw 1000 butts in seats in a city of nearly 3 million (not including the suburbs) for a MBB game. The problem is that most leagues and university presidents in particular tend to value markets and academics over athletic prestige in most cases. These aren't necessarily the adds I'd personally make, they are just what I'm predicting these leagues will make.
The moves I would personally make are as follows (athletic moves):
Big 12: Arizona
Pac 12: San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, Gonzaga
MWC: UTEP and New Mexico State
WCC: Seattle and Grand Canyon
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You do KNOW this is a string on FBS realignments - correct?
Gonzaga, Seattle and Grand Canyon don't offer football at any level above intramural, if at THAT level...
And (again), virtually EVERY realignment in the past 10 years has been FOOTBALL driven
Moving because of football unless you're able to get into SEC/Big10/ACC/Big12 is essentially a waste. Those are the only 4 conferences that put people into the playoff since they have created a system that keeps others out. Hell, look what they've done to the Pac12 and they were a P5 conference just a decade ago.
So to move into a bigger conference just means you're spending more so you had better get into a conference with a media rights deal that offsets this or you're now back to subsidizing more on the backs of your school without a payday. Also, in most cases you're destroying your traditional rivalries which will come home to roost.
I also stand by my analysis that media rights deals are going to drop in the coming decades due to media consumption. Glad State is not involved in this bullshit.
So to move into a bigger conference just means you're spending more so you had better get into a conference with a media rights deal that offsets this or you're now back to subsidizing more on the backs of your school without a payday. Also, in most cases you're destroying your traditional rivalries which will come home to roost.
I also stand by my analysis that media rights deals are going to drop in the coming decades due to media consumption. Glad State is not involved in this bullshit.
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I could see moving from a lower g5 conference because you are trying not to be the one standing without a chair when the music stops. being in the AAC might be better than the Sun Belt (just an example of 2 conferences not an opinion on it being better)
That "music" is stopping -- if the latest (wild) rumor is true (Clemson & Fla St) joining the B1G... what's left of the ACC?
AAC, SunBelt, MAC, Pac-12 -- None will send a team to a '2-conference' playoff ($EC, B1G)
niklz62
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It might stop for one of the G5 conferences. The Pac 12 will be fine until the entire g5 disappear
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The Big 12 will easily be the distant #3 conference at that point. The ACC has the GOR issue that FSU and Clemson have to deal with, but both schools have been vocally unhappy with their conference distributions recently.
I'm not sold on the Big Ten adding anyone, particularly Clemson and FSU (because of the GOR), but we shall see. Washington and Oregon on half shares would be believable.
They're going to miss U$C and UCLA -- good years or not, those programs draw EYES
Lets be honest. They WERE the conference. Everyone else was second fiddle and losing them is massive. The Big 12 is ripe to pick the bones and there are only a few legit football schools left that are consistently good. I also think Stanford will eventually jump to the Big 10 when Notre Dame ultimately does because it makes sense with their academic profile and Northwestern already there.
They will sputter along and become a G5 conference with the way the SEC/Big10 are operating. It wouldn't surprise me if both ended up as their own "leagues" when it comes to football with like 4 5-6 team divisions -- North/South/East/West. It's so weird that a parallel system that runs outside of NCAA control has been able to do this when you sit and think about it.
agree -- what's really amazing, had all of the "Eastern schools" collaborated with Joe Pedo Paterno during P$U's independent days and created his version of a big east, what would FBS look like today? Or... had the original football Big East mandated the irish bring ALL sports or NONE, what would FBS look like today?
At the end of the day, lack of genitalia on the part of the NCAA as a whole is why the current mess (FBS is effectively 2 conferences but really ~6 teams and NIL fecal pile) is what has become
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