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Jason Svoboda said:
Lets be honest. They WERE the conference. Everyone else was second fiddle and losing them is massive. The Big 12 is ripe to pick the bones and there are only a few legit football schools left that are consistently good. I also think Stanford will eventually jump to the Big 10 when Notre Dame ultimately does because it makes sense with their academic profile and Northwestern already there.

They will sputter along and become a G5 conference with the way the SEC/Big10 are operating. It wouldn't surprise me if both ended up as their own "leagues" when it comes to football with like 4 5-6 team divisions -- North/South/East/West. It's so weird that a parallel system that runs outside of NCAA control has been able to do this when you sit and think about it.
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Based on what I could find here's the TV Distribution to each school per conference:

Big Ten= ~$80M starting in 2024
SEC= ~$70M starting in 2024
Big 12= $31M
ACC= $17M
Pac 12= currently $21M, but it expires next year

AAC= $7M
MWC= $4M
MAC, SBC, and CUSA= $500K-$600K

Post USC, UCLA, and Colorado exit there's no way I'm giving the Pac 12 more than the ACC is getting. They'll be lucky to get $15M per year in my view. Getting a deal anywhere near what the Big 12 is getting would be borderline miraculous.

You can also see why FSU is beating the pots and pans about their current deal. One of their complaints is that they are now making less than UCF, which is honestly kind of hilarious. Their problem is that they were stupid enough to sign a GOR through 2036 and the buyout is close to $300M. Even at that I'm not sure I see them sticking around until 2036. I believe the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 are all up for renegotiations in 2030, so the ACC will likely continue to fall even more behind.
 

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Sycamorefan96 said:
Based on what I could find here's the TV Distribution to each school per conference:

Big Ten= ~$80M starting in 2024
SEC= ~$70M starting in 2024
Big 12= $31M
ACC= $17M
Pac 12= currently $21M, but it expires next year

AAC= $7M
MWC= $4M
MAC, SBC, and CUSA= $500K-$600K

Post USC, UCLA, and Colorado exit there's no way I'm giving the Pac 12 more than the ACC is getting. They'll be lucky to get $15M per year in my view. Getting a deal anywhere near what the Big 12 is getting would be borderline miraculous.

You can also see why FSU is beating the pots and pans about their current deal. One of their complaints is that they are now making less than UCF, which is honestly kind of hilarious. Their problem is that they were stupid enough to sign a GOR through 2036 and the buyout is close to $300M. Even at that I'm not sure I see them sticking around until 2036. I believe the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 are all up for renegotiations in 2030, so the ACC will likely continue to fall even more behind.
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what is GOR. i just cant remember
 
Dan Watzul @ Yahoo Sports:
sports.yahoo.com

Sources: Big Ten has begun preliminary talks to potentially add Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford

The Big Ten has been reluctant to move to 20 teams, even if many in college athletics believe expansive superconferences are inevitable.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

B1G looking at Washington and Oregon now to get to 18. Definitely would invite them. They're also looking at Stanford and Cal if they were to move to as high as 20. Personally I wouldn't add Stanford and Cal because their athletics are poor (see Northwestern except on the other side of the country), but they do meet the B1G's academic standards.

If I'm the remaining three "4 Corner" schools I'm trying to get into the Big 12 yesterday. Do they really want to be left with Wazzu State and Oregon State. That screams non-power conference, especially of half of the Mountain West jumps to the new Pac whatever number they'd be.
 

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Jason Svoboda said:
www.dallasnews.com

Sources: Texas and Oklahoma have reached out to SEC about potentially joining the conference

Big 12 powers Texas and Oklahoma have reached out the Southeastern Conference about potentially joining the league, multiple industry sources confirmed to The...
www.dallasnews.com

If the Big 12 would lose their two most storied programs in Texas an Oklahoma, it would likely cause a pretty drastic free for all from them and then the cascade of conferences needing to add teams. This also could be the opportune time for North Dakota State to finally make the jump so it could hit the MVFC.
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This might be a great time for Indiana State to leave D1 and move down to D2. With Curt Mallory as the head coach they will always be a D2 team if not D3. We need to stop recruiting mainly Indiana kids and look outside of this area for real athletes.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
Dan Watzul @ Yahoo Sports:
sports.yahoo.com

Sources: Big Ten has begun preliminary talks to potentially add Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford

The Big Ten has been reluctant to move to 20 teams, even if many in college athletics believe expansive superconferences are inevitable.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

B1G looking at Washington and Oregon now to get to 18. Definitely would invite them. They're also looking at Stanford and Cal if they were to move to as high as 20. Personally I wouldn't add Stanford and Cal because their athletics are poor (see Northwestern except on the other side of the country), but they do meet the B1G's academic standards.

If I'm the remaining three "4 Corner" schools I'm trying to get into the Big 12 yesterday. Do they really want to be left with Wazzu State and Oregon State. That screams non-power conference, especially of half of the Mountain West jumps to the new Pac whatever number they'd be.
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Can’t speak for Cal, but Stanford athletics are anything but weak. Overall, including men’s and women’s sports, Stanford is ranks among the top athletics school in the nation.
 

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Arizona is about to officially join the Big 12 now. That will move them up to 14. UA will get the full $31M payout. If ASU and Utah move it will be interesting to see if Fox pays a pro rata up to 16. ESPN has agreed to it (16), but Fox only verbally agreed to pay up to 14.

www.espn.com

Sources: Arizona amid final steps to join Big 12

Arizona is in deep discussions about joining the Big 12, sources told ESPN, with a deal expected to be finalized in the near future.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
D1 360's Conference Realignment predictions with reasons for 2023-24 academic year.


  • Arizona, AZ State, and Utah --> Big 12
  • Washington and Oregon --> Big 10
  • San Diego State, Colorado St, UNLV, SMU, Tulane, and Rice --> Pac 12
  • Texas State --> American Athletic
  • UTEP --> Mountain West
  • Western Kentucky --> Sun Belt
  • Eastern Kentucky and Stephen F Austin --> CUSA
  • Gonzaga --> Big East
  • Seattle and Grand Canyon --> West Coast Conference
  • Bellarmine --> Horizon League
  • Nova Southeastern and West Georgia --> Atlantic Sun
  • U of Indianapolis --> Ohio Valley
 
Can someone explain to me why the PAC 12 has such a bad TV deal? I know they are West coast with not as many eyes on them and with the time difference they don't attract the East Coast market because games would start at 10-11. But is there something more to it or is it just that simple
 
treeman said:
Can someone explain to me why the PAC 12 has such a bad TV deal? I know they are West coast with not as many eyes on them and with the time difference they don't attract the East Coast market because games would start at 10-11. But is there something more to it or is it just that simple
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It's really that simple. Roughly 80% of Americans live east of the 98th parallel (in the Eastern and Central time zones) which roughly separates the lower 48 in half geographically from North Dakota down to Texas across the plains.
 

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treeman said:
Can someone explain to me why the PAC 12 has such a bad TV deal? I know they are West coast with not as many eyes on them and with the time difference they don't attract the East Coast market because games would start at 10-11. But is there something more to it or is it just that simple
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That is a large portion of it.

Moreover, there is just an entirely different culture on the West coast with regards to sports due to entertainment options, weather, lifestyle, etc. If you live in LA, USC is not even on the radar unless they are Top 10 worthy.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
This is developing very quickly. Oregon and Washington are receiving invites to join Big Ten in 2024.

www.espn.com

Oregon, Washington officially join Big Ten

Oregon and Washington officially joined the Big Ten Conference on Friday, expanding the conference to 18 members beginning in 2024.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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dollars to doughnuts -- UW, ORE were yapping with the Big Ten at the same time U$C and UCLA were yapping

just taking longer to finalize all of the details

just because no "crack cub" reporter or "influencer" was tweeting about it, doesn't mean they weren't yapping
 
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