Gotta Hav
The Wade Level
I thought those sports were dropped so that we could be compliant with Title IX.
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A distinction without a difference IMO. Given women’s gymnastics and women’s bowling were also part of the cuts I doubt it came down solely to gender equity.
Here it is 2023 and the foolish decision in 1986 still reverberates with ISU fans to this day.
Spot on Hooper,
Landini was VERY open about dropping wrestling and gymnastics were all about supporting (more money) football.
While Title IX was the law in 1986, there was virtually zero enforcement, esp. when it came to ## of teams. Far too many people don't remember that in 1986, football scholarships numbered ~100 or more (cut to 85 from 95 beginning in 1992...) I recall Div I-A football scholarship ##s at 120 in the early 1980s
Here's a pretty accurate timeline on Title IX enforcement:
https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/advocacy/history-of-title-ix/
We don't have to. If we dropped football we would just have to add other men's sports to remain compliant.
You and others are free to disagree (and I know you / they probably will), but all of those schools are private universities. How many public universities out there that don't have football are big time basketball brands? Here's what I came up with.
1) Wichita State- I think one of the Koch brothers may have died recently, but they give Wichita State a lot of money. A lot of the MVC schools, both private and public, were happy to see them leave for this fact alone.
2) Vermont- Farthest they've ever gone is the round of 32 once in 2005. Since 2003 they've made the tournament 9 times. They also have 13 regular season conference titles this century. Like Murray State in the OVC, it could just be the result of just being a big fish in a little pond.
Others (all public, no football) that every once in a while have pretty good years in no order.
- UNC Asheville
- UNC Wilmington
- UNC Greensboro
- College of Charleston
- UT Arlington
- UA Little Rock
- Wright State
- Northern Kentucky
So there's two exceptions to the rule, 8 or so that make noise sometimes, and then there's a longer list of public, no football schools that are never relevant.
^Add VCU to that list and put them at either #1 or #2. VCU is loaded though with a $2B endowment. WSU and UVM have endowments of over $600M. ISU is supposedly at $79.6M. There was also George Mason who made the Final 4, but hasn't done much since then.
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Mens volleyball would make us compliant and a lot less costly
Plus attendance would be comparable for home contests
sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
Attendance would be 10-20 parents and a few girlfriends. We probably had more than that at the ball state game.
Public schools with FCS football that are generally good or have very good seasons once in a while in men's basketball:
- Northern Iowa
- Murray State
- Southern Illinois
- South Dakota State
- North Dakota State
- UT Chattanooga
- East Tennessee State
- Morehead State (non-scholarship Pioneer League)
- Montana
- Montana State
- Weber State
- Stephen F Austin
- Northern Iowa
- Murray State
- Southern Illinois
- South Dakota State
- North Dakota State
- UT Chattanooga
- East Tennessee State
- Morehead State (non-scholarship Pioneer League)
- Montana
- Montana State
- Weber State
- Stephen F Austin
You guys keep making this point like it means something. Non-revenue sports are non-revenue for a reason.
LOL you can't be serious.
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Again sorry the point is to simply comply with title 9
Drop football
With salaries, facilities, travel, scholarships etc it can not be profitable
I don’t care how much we got from iu and ball state
sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
Men's volleyball would draw girlfriends and parents.
Should the day come when ISU drops football, the logical, common-sense sports to add are those that the Valley sponsors and that ISU doesn't currently sponsor:
men's golf and soccer; after that are sports that fellow Valley members also sponsor; tennis, wrestling and swimming/diving.
ISU has had past success in men's tennis and wrestling; golf, soccer and swimming/diving have a current coaching/training staff that can be utilized as well as no facilities need to be added.
10 minutes of research show there are ~33 men's volleyball teams in the entire country (Div I & Div II), what's the gain to be the 34th team? To be the cover story of a future issue of OSQ? I'm thinking that will net us a TON of TV time on El Ocho...
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Agreed - even at non-revenue powers such as Nebraska or Ohio St women's volleyball programs, consistently ranked; always in NCAA title contention, even put butts in seats, turn a profit? Um... no.
DePaul dropped football after the 1939 season.
Gonzaga dropped football after the 1941 season.
UA Little Rock dropped football after elevating their status from Jr College to 4-year institution in 1957.
Marquette dropped football after 1958 season.
Vermont dropped football after the 1974 season.
UT Arlington dropped football after the 1985 season, citing poor attendance, financial red ink - sound familiar?
Wichita State dropped football after 1986 season, citing poor attendance, financial red ink, and the state of disrepair of their stadium (Cessna Stadium) - sound familiar?
your correlation theory isn't holding water
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That is correct
??? I listed public universities without football that have decent basketball programs, and I also listed public FCS universities that also have decent basketball programs.
I would say ISU's attendance (5000 p/game) is pretty average in FCS, and may even be above average. FCS football was meant for schools that average below 15000 per game (originally 20000).
Memorial Stadium is not about to fall down like some believe. Memorial Stadium has three main issues.
1) It is not modern, and not as good as other stadiums in the MVFC. It is average among FCS, and better than a lot of FCS stadiums believe it or not.
2) It is not on campus.
3) It only has one side.
#1 and #3 could be fixed with some renovations. SEMO for example just did a nice renovation on their stadium for ~$12M. It's not going to take $50M to have a nice MVFC quality facility.
EvilleSycamore
The All-MVC Level
Why the hell does it matter that there is only seats on one side? WE DONT FILL THE SEATS WE HAVE, so you want to add more EMPTY seats and spend $12M, which isn't even close, just so it looks pretty????? What the hell does that accomplish????????????? NOTHING it's lipstick on a pig of a facility and a pig of a program!!
