Plus, most of those scholarship players are also filling out the paperwork to get grants as well. When I was a student, I had a job at The Financial Aid Dept., and I made sure all football players had the forms mailed to their parents, and followed up with the players to get those forms filled out. That included incoming recruits. Wonder if those dollars are put into their ROI equation?
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Just curious - Keep football or don't?
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FCS football is a headcount sport but they can give out partial scholarships.
So everyone over 63 is likely getting academic help. When Miles was first here, that was his way around his recruiting restrictions was using all of the Midwest-based scholarships. That's why we were heavy in Ohio and Illinois at the time, too. Wasn't until his 3rd year that he got okay to recruit more nationally.
Lastly, FCOA is above that number and we don't do it last @niklz62 said and being a former player, he is the one person I'd trust in that arena.
So everyone over 63 is likely getting academic help. When Miles was first here, that was his way around his recruiting restrictions was using all of the Midwest-based scholarships. That's why we were heavy in Ohio and Illinois at the time, too. Wasn't until his 3rd year that he got okay to recruit more nationally.
Lastly, FCOA is above that number and we don't do it last @niklz62 said and being a former player, he is the one person I'd trust in that arena.
A few years ago we had this discussion after a recruit posted his ISU scholly offer letter and it had FCOA. At some point ISU offered some sort of FCOA.
Wasn't if offered to out-of-state kids? Especially non-Midwestern kids b/c there was a coalition/consortium/"Gang of 4" of midwest schools that treated all 'local' kids as in-state, i.e. kids from Edgar Co. Illinois, athlete or not, paid "in-state" fees, not out of state tuition
If that is accurate, I don't believe our FCOA is what the college football world considers FCOA. IIRC in reading, schools were allowed to calculate that number and essentially give the athletes the difference in cash for "out of pocket" expenses. Some of the P5 schools have that number up to $6-10k these days.
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I don't think this means what you think it means.
On top of those kids landing full Pell Grants? Granted Pell Grants probably haven't kept pace with inflation but college costs have sprinted past inflation as well
Yep, this was part of the autonomy bullshit from back in 2015. They could self-calculate FCOA, easily square up the tuition/R&B, and then the rest would be a stipend. So of course all of the schools calcs are massively higher than actual. It was essentially an above board way to pay the athletes.
IIRC, it was grounded in the ncaa policy that a div I scholie to notional, elite private institutions (Vanderbilt) has to have the same "value" as a scholie to another notional public school (Northern Arizona)... if Jerry Stackhouse and Shane Burcar were recruiting the same kid from Texarkana Central High -- the schools couldn't use full cost of attendance as a selling point. Of course, the schools are worlds apart $$ wise, which opened up the Federal Student Aid options (Pell Grants, Perkins Loans, etc)...
And now we're here... Syracuse going full in on salary cap, primary sponsor, bonuses for 6th man, best defender... at what point are the Athl Director positions renamed to General Manager... will SUNY Oswego be their AAA / G League team??
smh
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Ok, I get it’s not big dollars, but, since you are at the front leading all those that are interested, doesn’t the federal and state funding of these scholarship players play a role in your ROI equation?
Just saying it doesn’t mean that is a poor answer.
No, 63 scholarships are being accounted for every year. That lot is essentially a fixed cost billed back to football and student aid is the single largest cost center for college athletes. As we keep trying to explain, because of Title IX, this number is essentially doubled. All this does in our case is allows staff to distribute those 63 over more players because they could make up some of the difference with Pell or other scholarship money. However, you're still missing the stipend point where schools are literally marking up their FCOA number to then give out the difference.
Here is an EIGHT year old article. I can't find the more recent article I read awhile back looking into this, but some SEC schools are now giving excess of $10k in stipends.
Full cost of attendance: What will it mean for Power Five players?
If the new "full cost of attendance" rule stands, Tennessee can offer its football players $630 per month in spending money starting this fall.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
It is really important that you guys take some time to go through both the Knight-Newhouse College Athletics Database and the Equity in Athletics Database so you can get an understanding of how the financial accounting works. Without this foundational knowledge, there is no way you can have understanding of the material.
Federal & State funding? Please explain that theory
I don’t plan on explaining anything to you. You would pick a fight with The Pope that he’s not Catholic.
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I think you meant to say you CAN'T explain anything as your sphincter is your main communications device.
but you be you - throw out specious points with no basis in fact.
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I took a break from the board for a few weeks. I dont think we were offering it. If they are offering it Im unaware of it but i dont get real inside info.
I know what our financial constraints are and the desire by many to eliminate our football program.
Nevertheless, I would not necessarily want to see this happen under the Curtis administration.
If possible, I would like to see a new, pro-sports President have his day in court first.
Nevertheless, I would not necessarily want to see this happen under the Curtis administration.
If possible, I would like to see a new, pro-sports President have his day in court first.
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