how did you settle on rifle as a new add? balancing the scholie formula? the only co-ed team option?
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Just curious - Keep football or don't?
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how did you settle on rifle as a new add? balancing the scholie formula? the only co-ed team option?
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It was on the 2nd tab, but here is what I wrote:
In this move, we would add men's and women's rifle and men's and women's tennis. The decision to bring tennis back to campus was due to pre-existing facilities that are already in place and would just require some basic retrofitting. The decision to add rifle is due to two factors: 1) State demographics are primarily rural and that program would sell itself; 2) there are no facility requirements per my research provided there are ranges available nearby. Lastly men's golf is added to serve as a compliment/travel partner for women's golf and no new facilities are required.
So essentially the no facilities needed, very small scholarship requirements and my research also shows that schools that had them, one coach was used for both the men's and women's team.
Wow, that should bring the crowds in.
Revenue vs non-revenue sports.
The whole point is creating a more cost-effective non-revenue sport offering since they don't draw paid attendance.
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I guess I will stand up and take the beat down. I want ISU football ! I am very disappointed like all of us on performance.
Here are my points which you can dismantle.
FB is normally on a Saturday which give me plenty of travel time and with early season weather normally good, I can tailgate with friends. Basketball is a beer at the Bally and a walk in the cold. I also avoid midweek games due to travel.
Parents weekend and Homecoming bring in the most outsiders to the University and TH. Will we move this to January when its freezing or during the Holidays when no one will come? HC weekend is the one weekend you actually see people on campus. and the city is active.
Homecoming is a major event. I get to see friends, professors and Fraternity brothers on the yearly migration.
I don't think people fully understand what homecoming brings to TH. Lets dump the parade I guess? The parade, although down still bring the community together, local shops downtown are packed. Money is flowing. Most that attend I agree don't go to the game but they do related the parade to ISU and Homecoming.
Hotel stays are way up. In order to stay at the Candlewood or Hilton you must purchase 2 nights stay. My two nights at the Candlewood is 432.60 . Both hotels will be full. Others hotels will also be up. I will spend money at not just the Bally but Moggers, TH Brewing, Copper and The Terminal.
HC is the day I actually need a reservation for the Black Angus after the game which is packed with ISU Blue.
Its also the day we kiss major donors asses. Introduce them to scattered applause even though DEB is standing next to them.
Instead of hiring a consulting firm to create a logo. Please ISU, have a business class do a cost benefit analysis on the financial impact football has on the Terre Haute market. Include all moneys from the Parade, eateries, hotels, gear etc. Also, all the home games and visitors coming in. I know the MVC doesn't travel well but they are buying Hotel nights and eating. IMO football gives the most back to TH of all our sports. Didn't the city just give us 4 million for some kind of kids center even though we seem to treat the city like a bunch of uneducated dumbasses.
We need to at least wait and see if the big 5 leave the NCAA and a new football day arises. Once football is gone its gone! I would hate to see the BSU and the MAC go FCS with a reduced cost program and we not only are not on the sidelines, but not even in the talk.
IMO if we did cut football, I believe its a pipe dream that ISU will superfund Basketball. It will end up being mostly lost money. Unless the university can move the saving into NIL which they can't do. Everything is going NIL.
Ok.. feel free to kick my butt. That my take is an emotions not reality.
End game ISU problems are at the top of the pyramid. We have no students so everyone & every program will pay!
Here are my points which you can dismantle.
FB is normally on a Saturday which give me plenty of travel time and with early season weather normally good, I can tailgate with friends. Basketball is a beer at the Bally and a walk in the cold. I also avoid midweek games due to travel.
Parents weekend and Homecoming bring in the most outsiders to the University and TH. Will we move this to January when its freezing or during the Holidays when no one will come? HC weekend is the one weekend you actually see people on campus. and the city is active.
Homecoming is a major event. I get to see friends, professors and Fraternity brothers on the yearly migration.
I don't think people fully understand what homecoming brings to TH. Lets dump the parade I guess? The parade, although down still bring the community together, local shops downtown are packed. Money is flowing. Most that attend I agree don't go to the game but they do related the parade to ISU and Homecoming.
Hotel stays are way up. In order to stay at the Candlewood or Hilton you must purchase 2 nights stay. My two nights at the Candlewood is 432.60 . Both hotels will be full. Others hotels will also be up. I will spend money at not just the Bally but Moggers, TH Brewing, Copper and The Terminal.
HC is the day I actually need a reservation for the Black Angus after the game which is packed with ISU Blue.
Its also the day we kiss major donors asses. Introduce them to scattered applause even though DEB is standing next to them.
Instead of hiring a consulting firm to create a logo. Please ISU, have a business class do a cost benefit analysis on the financial impact football has on the Terre Haute market. Include all moneys from the Parade, eateries, hotels, gear etc. Also, all the home games and visitors coming in. I know the MVC doesn't travel well but they are buying Hotel nights and eating. IMO football gives the most back to TH of all our sports. Didn't the city just give us 4 million for some kind of kids center even though we seem to treat the city like a bunch of uneducated dumbasses.
We need to at least wait and see if the big 5 leave the NCAA and a new football day arises. Once football is gone its gone! I would hate to see the BSU and the MAC go FCS with a reduced cost program and we not only are not on the sidelines, but not even in the talk.
IMO if we did cut football, I believe its a pipe dream that ISU will superfund Basketball. It will end up being mostly lost money. Unless the university can move the saving into NIL which they can't do. Everything is going NIL.
Ok.. feel free to kick my butt. That my take is an emotions not reality.
End game ISU problems are at the top of the pyramid. We have no students so everyone & every program will pay!
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Feel the same. It’s ongoing with the group just about every loads.
Good post - thanks for joining this conversation.
I will only add that the only way to lose money is to continue funding football… If you don’t fund football and don’t “superfund” basketball then you don’t lose money - you put in your pocket in theory. A lot of us would like to see them cut football and reallocate a good majority of those dollars toward hoops. I think we realize that the reality is the adjustment would only be incremental.
I'd throw out the idea of Men volleyball as a potential sport. You already have the facilities, teams aren't that big, equipment is pretty minimal, Is it going to draw crowds in the 1,000's+? Probably not, but it is a very entertaining sport that would draw some people in (more than any other potential mens sport). Also the midwest is a pretty big hotbed for volleyball, there is enough talent to get a solid program quickly.
@OX 92 - can you do me a solid and answer this? What is the max price you would pay for season tickets per seat.
I don’t want to cut football provided the fans that want to keep it would pay for it. I believe that basketball should be the priority so if we’d reverse funding with hoops getting $5m and football getting $2.5m, I’d also be on board with that. All it means is our 3-8 seasons now become 1-10.
I'm totally cool with dropping football and replacing it with curling. I'd even pay to watch it!!!
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Let's be honest, most of you that want to drop football have never actually truly supported the program and are basketball-first fans. Sure whenever the FB team does well you're all happy to hop on the bandwagon, but as soon as things go south then it's back to the typical BS of trashing the program every opportunity you get, because you all think we could spend all of the money on your favorite program. If you guys got your way we'd just be Evansville 2.0.
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Please don’t blow me up but I have to ask. Do we have anyone on the football team receiving NIL money??? A huge waste of NIL but was wondering and don’t know where to even start to find out.
Once again, you’ve nailed it.
I don’t cheer for Indiana State because I graduated from there, and my parents graduated from there, and two aunts graduated from there.
I am ONLY here for the winning. That’s it. Once the winning stops, I’m out.
But once we dump another $1 million into the program and start that journey to the FCS national championship that will bring in all those millions and millions of viewers, then I am back and shoving everyone out of the way to jump back on that bandwagon.
After all, there is the Super Bowl, then the World Series, and then the FCS national championship when it comes to importance in televised sports. Despite the fact that I don’t know where they play the FCS championship, and despite the fact that I don’t even know when the FCS national championship is, I will drop everything that day to watch the Sycamores win it all. I will cry with joy.
Do you happen to have a time table on when that day will be that Indiana State plays for this championship? I just want to make sure I’m ready to jump back on the ‘wagon a little before it happens. Don’t want to make it too obvious.
In a lot of ways, this sums up the two sides.
On one side is the “here are the facts about how much we spend on football and how (in the long run) it is completely unsustainable and based on the realities of our situation (stadium being the big one) we will never be competitive with our peers…….”
And on the other side……”I like football and would be sad if it were gone so dump another couple of million into the fire.”
God I hope not
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Yes, we do via Crossroads of Champions.
If you don't roughly know when the National Championship game is or where it's located at, then you're obviously not a very big football fan. Thanks for proving my point.
26 drop. 17 keep. Time to close this thread down. The people have spoken.
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