Just curious - Keep football or don't?

[Bluethunder]

If you don't roughly know when the National Championship game is or where it's located at, then you're obviously not a very big football fan. Thanks for proving my point.

No I love college football. Watch about 8 hours every Saturday. But I don’t watch games that are only streamed online in front 800 fans. And since there are hell of a lot more like me who watch D1 college football and don’t know and don’t care about fcs football it proves my point that Indiana State is throwing money at sport their own alumni don’t care about. Not even enough care to walk 100 yards from the tailgating area into the damn stadium at homecoming for crying out loud. More people choose to stay outside and talk then watch Indiana State. And many of them have TVs set up watching SEC or Big Ten games while your fcs teams are playing right behind them.

And it’s not the National Championship.
It’s the 1-AA championship.

Georgia is the national champion.

Next time you are at a BW3 go ask every guy watching football who won the fcs championship last year. My guess is less than 50% will know the answer. And of the ones who do know the answer, most will probably need to think about it for a minute.

But we can’t all be as big of college football fans as you.

Kind of like how you keep posting “games of interest” to yourself as not one person has cared enough about any of those games to even comment.

And you never really had a point. You have still not refuted one fact sent your way. Neither have you answered Jason’s question about how much you would be willing to pay for a ticket to see State play. You just avoid all the hard questions and facts by slightly changing the subject and then saying “if you can’t understand my point then I can’t help you”. No one understands your point because you haven’t made one yet.

 

[Bobbyk60]

26 drop. 17 keep. Time to close this thread down. The people have spoken.

Time to shut the topic down and not bring it up again, until we lose another game, and it goes on and on.

 

[Bluethunder]

Time to shut the topic down and not bring it up again, until we lose another game, and it goes on and on.

So next Saturday then? Around 3:30?

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Time to shut the topic down and not bring it up again, until we lose another game, and it goes on and on.

Naaaa it will go away. It’s an annual tradition nothing will happen we’re just talking on here. We’ve said our peace now. Back to regularly schedule programming

 

[Sycamorefan96]

No I love college football. Watch about 8 hours every Saturday. But I don’t watch games that are only streamed online in front 800 fans. And since there are hell of a lot more like me who watch D1 college football and don’t know and don’t care about fcs football it proves my point that Indiana State is throwing money at sport their own alumni don’t care about. Not even enough care to walk 100 yards from the tailgating area into the damn stadium at homecoming for crying out loud. More people choose to stay outside and talk then watch Indiana State. And many of them have TVs set up watching SEC or Big Ten games while your fcs teams are playing right behind them.

And it’s not the National Championship.
It’s the 1-AA championship.

Georgia is the national champion.

Next time you are at a BW3 go ask every guy watching football who won the fcs championship last year. My guess is less than 50% will know the answer. And of the ones who do know the answer, most will probably need to think about it for a minute.

But we can’t all be as big of college football fans as you.

Kind of like how you keep posting “games of interest” to yourself as not one person has cared enough about any of those games to even comment.

And you never really had a point. You have still not refuted one fact sent your way. Neither have you answered Jason’s question about how much you would be willing to pay for a ticket to see State play. You just avoid all the hard questions and facts by slightly changing the subject and then saying “if you can’t understand my point then I can’t help you”. No one understands your point because you haven’t made one yet.

You're a "big college football fan", but you don't even know where the FCS National Championship game is? An MVFC school has only made it 12 years in a row. Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on that one.

Maybe try supporting your school and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing. You act like there's a ton of people out there that actually give a damn about ISU and MVC basketball. You can literally buy an $8 upper bowl ticket and go sit in the first row. Go ask the average Hautian at a sports bar who won the typical one bid MVC last season and see who can answer that.

Every athletic program at ISU literally loses money. I've only said it like 20X. They're all subsidized by the students. I refuted Jason's point because we literally don't have a lot of these non-revenue sports if it wasn't for D1 compliance and Title IX. Are you willing to pay $1000 or whatever ridiculous number he threw out there for football to go sit in a morgue all year at the Hulman Center?

 

[sycamore tuff]

Hey blue lightning noise, it is the only division 1 football national championship the NCAA has. They also have division 2 and 3 national championships. You sir are supporting the enemy when it comes to college football. You were probably one of those students walking around campus wearing shirts advertising big 10 schools instead of your own. If so then shame on you and anyone else on this board professing to be a fan of ISU.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Hey blue lightning noise, it is the only division 1 football national championship the NCAA has. They also have division 2 and 3 national championships. You sir are supporting the enemy when it comes to college football. You were probably one of those students walking around campus wearing shirts advertising big 10 schools instead of your own. If so then shame on you and anyone else on this board professing to be a fan of ISU.

I’m going to translate for everyone at home… just to make it quick and easy!

What he said was, “if you watch D1 football you’re the enemy and you’re going to hell. No self described Indiana State fan should watch anyone other than Indiana State. And also fuck the B10.”

 

[Sycamorefan96]

ISU is Division 1.

 

[Bluethunder]

I will slow it down for you, because I don’t think you are capable of doing the math and reading financial sheets, so here goes another attempt to try and explain it in ways you can understand

Ratings for the fcs “national championship” last year…..1.07 million.

Ratings for Farleigh Dickinson winning against Purdue last year…..just under 3 million.

Not to mention the financial credits they earned for a tournament win (I.e money)

Ratings for LSU vs Florida State last weekend…..over 7 million.

So 7 million people watched a regular season college football game last weekend but when the two best teams in the fcs play, with no other college game on to compete against, 6 million of those people said “no thanks”

And for comparison, an episode of Real Housewives (one of my wife’s favorite shows) will draw over 1.10 million.

So we can continue to put money into a program that loses (a lot) and is miles from a “national championship” in the hopes that if we win it will draw less interest than an episode of Real Housewives. Smart financial play there.

And you still haven’t answered the question. You just keep throwing it back on others with your childish responses. How much would you be willing to pay for a seat to watch an Indiana State game? It’s a simple question

And for those of you wondering why basketball is the better investment, beyond the fact that more people will watch it and it can have a financial return, read this……

St. Peter’s University sees uptick in admission applications as Peacocks advance to Sweet 16

The Cinderella story of the St. Peter’s men’s basketball team has sparked interest in the university across the country, quickly leading to a rise in applications and potentially to enrollment.

bronx.news12.com

 

[Bluethunder]

ISU is Division 1.

In everything but football

 

[Bluethunder]

Hey blue lightning noise, it is the only division 1 football national championship the NCAA has. They also have division 2 and 3 national championships. You sir are supporting the enemy when it comes to college football. You were probably one of those students walking around campus wearing shirts advertising big 10 schools instead of your own. If so then shame on you and anyone else on this board professing to be a fan of ISU.

Yea I live in Ohio where Mt Union won something like 8 championships in ten years.

Guess what, no one in Ohio gives a shit about Mt Union football.

Most people don’t even know where it is.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

In everything but football

Nope we're Division 1 in that too. You honestly sound like a self hating ISU fan. I bet tuff is right and you were wearing that IU garbage around campus back in the day.

 

[Bluethunder]

Nope we're Division 1 in that too. You honestly sound like a self hating ISU fan. I bet tuff is right and you were wearing that IU garbage around campus back in the day.

So we give 85 scholarships? We can play in bowl games?

Call it Div 1 if it makes you feel better. Everyone knows that fcs is Div 1 football in name only. It’s a token name the actual D1 schools allow schools like Indiana State to have so when they play us in games it can be against a D 1 opponent.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

So we give 85 scholarships? We can play in bowl games?

Division 1 football is divided into FBS (1A) and FCS (1AA). They're both division 1. As a "big college football fan" you should know this.

 

[Bluethunder]

Division 1 football is divided into FBS (1A) and FCS (1AA). They're both division 1. As a "big college football fan" you should know this.

Oh I know what they call it, I am just not naive enough to think that the FBS schools actually consider the FCS schools “D1”.

Like I said, it’s a gimmick to make it more acceptable to play teams from that level and win and not look like you are playing a bunch smaller, underfunded teams (which they are)

Can you really say that when one group offers 85 fully funded scholarships and the other offers 63 equivalent scholarships that they are the same level? Are you really trying to make that argument?

 

[Sycamorefan96]

Oh I know what they call it, I am just not naive enough to think that the FBS schools actually consider the FCS schools “D1”.

Like I said, it’s a gimmick to make it more acceptable to play teams from that level and win and not look like you are playing a bunch smaller, underfunded teams (which they are)

Can you really say that when one group offers 85 fully funded scholarships and the other offers 63 equivalent scholarships that they are the same level? Are you really trying to make that argument?

You're a "big college football fan" but you seem happy to trash your own school every chance you get and would be happy to never be able to watch your school take the field again. I may have to start calling this board "Sycamore No Pride" because it's honestly getting pretty pathetic. And then there's people on here that say I'm "too negative" lol. At least I'm not a self hating fan.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

I'm assuming you'll quit rooting for ISU altogether when the big boys eventually split all of their sports off from the NCAA right? That's basically what I've gathered from this discussion.

 

[Bluethunder]

You're a "big college football fan" but you seem happy to trash your own school every chance you get and would be happy to never be able to watch your school take the field again. I may have to start calling this board "Sycamore No Pride" because it's honestly getting pretty pathetic. And then there's people on here that say I'm "too negative" lol. At least I'm not a self hating fan.

Hey if you enjoy burning money then go ahead and keep rooting for the football team. Of course, it’s not your money so who cares right?

And where is it written that I can’t be a fan of any school unless I Only watch their games? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

I graduated from Indiana State, therefore from the moment I accepted the diploma I can never watch another team in any sport that Indiana State participates in. I am not capable of being a fan of more than one team.

Same reason why people have one child I guess. Don’t have enough love for two or more, can’t divide it up so better to just stick with one.

Seriously man, every time I think you’ve come up with the weakest argument you seem to double down.

You never even try and come back with facts, you just throw out an insult.

Still haven’t refuted that Indiana State spends more on football with nothing to show for it (you just throw out the line “all their sports cost money they don’t have). Maybe true, but all the other sports don’t cost 5mil a year.

Still haven’t refuted the fact that basketball is the one sport that Indiana State has a chance to get positive name recognition, money returned to the program for strong seasons or even the article showing he uptick in applications based on strong tournament runs.

Still haven’t even said how much you are willing to pay for football, you personally. Not the school, not someone else, YOU.

You just turn it around to “well it’s no different than waisting money in basketball”, except that it isn’t and we have shown you how it isn’t.

I wouldn’t be happy to see the school give up football, but I would feel better seeing someone at the school willing to face the reality of the schools financial situation and actually have the balls to say “we can’t afford this” and put a plan together involving fiscal sanity.

Instead we get people like you who have no solution, or demand those in charge to actually lead. You just follow along and defend the indefensible. And anyone who comes and says “we don’t have the money for this” they get labeled as someone who hates to e school, hates football, blah blah. It is easier to just throw out labels than throw out solutions isn’t?

There are only so many more years Indiana State can keep paying what they are paying for football before a reckoning comes. My solution is cut the program now, contain the damage.

What’s your solution, other than hire a new coach, a better one? Ok, that still doesn’t build a new stadium. That still doesn’t put us on par with the other teams in the conference on spending and facilities. And don’t say drop to a new conference or non scholarship because Jason has already shown you it doesn’t save any money and doesn’t fix the problem of a stadium that is close to falling down, or the players that we have to feed, supply and get from game to game, plus all of the coaches and equipment associated with a football team.

Once more it comes down to those willing to look at the numbers and facts and say “in the best interest of the athletic department we should drop football” and those who say “well I like football, so fuck it let’s keep pouring money into this black hole that even if (by some divine intervention) we succeed we still get nothing back, play in a championship game that no one watches and can’t raise the funds to pay the bills without borrowing up to the eyeballs”

 

[Bluethunder]

I'm assuming you'll quit rooting for ISU altogether when the big boys eventually split all of their sports off from the NCAA right? That's basically what I've gathered from this discussion.

I will keep watching whatever games I want to.

I have Ohio State tickets this weekend, would be nice to watch a program that can get in the end zone.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

I will keep watching whatever games I want to.

I have Ohio State tickets this weekend, would be nice to watch a program that can get in the end zone.

Well this definitely proves my point.

Hey blue lightning noise, it is the only division 1 football national championship the NCAA has. They also have division 2 and 3 national championships. You sir are supporting the enemy when it comes to college football. You were probably one of those students walking around campus wearing shirts advertising big 10 schools instead of your own. If so then shame on you and anyone else on this board professing to be a fan of ISU.

Looks like you nailed it Tuff.