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The fact that anyone thinks this is different than it was before is funny. Miami was already paying players. It’s just now transparent. The landscape hasn’t really changed other than the veil has been lifted.
I guess my point is we were never competing with Miami for top-tier players. That hasn’t changed now that NIL funds are flowing.Sorta. Before it was simply $50 handshakes within the school's sphere of influence. The NIL agents are a new wrinkle because they will move things outside of that. Doesn't help if they are bad actors preying upon kids from vulnerable situations and life circumstances.
I laugh because that's I all I can do at this point...laughing at the whole NIL landscape, not at ISU having a discussion about it.FYI but the Varsity Club is being invited in for a NLI discussion with Clink and SycamoreRules.
only read the first few posts. the only thing that has changed is that now the people you actually watch can make money too. ]
Before this only everyone else involved got to make money.
Read the book “Caught in the Net,” written by former ISU coach Tates Locke, about his cheating at Clemson. It’s illuminating.Serious inquiry with a little context:
i think history plays a huge part of how people view NIL. The ncaa defended the university’s unwillingness to pay students. They simply could not afford it. Very few programs could actually afford to pay their players a real salary. The NCAA pushing that agenda decades certainly affected how people think about NIL. The concept has grown immensely because nobody could have possibly predicted how marketing, specifically with social media could be a source of revenue for athletes. The thing you hate now looks at lot different than the ncaa refusing to compensate players for such things as jersey sales and video game likeness. However, student athletes and their families have been getting under the table benefits for quite some time. Cars, cash, fake jobs, houses and jobs for family members have all been given out.
here’s my question: can anybody who’s been around a very long time say for certain that they know player x commited to school x because coach/booster/whoever paid for a commitment? I know the answers yes but I wouldn’t mind hearing anonymous anecdote from literally anybody, including this board. Seriously, how far can we go back? If a well known coach wants to come out and say this has been going on forever then why not throw out some veiled anecdotes.
I don’t personally need to see people thrown under the bus or peoples legacy’s come into question. I would just like people to be more honest about what they know. Coaches say they know it was going on so why not start discussing it now?
I know coaches hate NIL but they also hated watching their competitors cheat. I remember Lansing discussing in an interview that he hated recruiting against some of the deals or promises that were being made. I’m sure there’s thousands of coaches and connected people with their own stories.
Serious inquiry with a little context:
i think history plays a huge part of how people view NIL. The ncaa defended the university’s unwillingness to pay students. They simply could not afford it. Very few programs could actually afford to pay their players a real salary. The NCAA pushing that agenda decades certainly affected how people think about NIL. The concept has grown immensely because nobody could have possibly predicted how marketing, specifically with social media could be a source of revenue for athletes. The thing you hate now looks at lot different than the ncaa refusing to compensate players for such things as jersey sales and video game likeness. However, student athletes and their families have been getting under the table benefits for quite some time. Cars, cash, fake jobs, houses and jobs for family members have all been given out.
here’s my question: can anybody who’s been around a very long time say for certain that they know player x commited to school x because coach/booster/whoever paid for a commitment? I know the answers yes but I wouldn’t mind hearing anonymous anecdote from literally anybody, including this board. Seriously, how far can we go back? If a well known coach wants to come out and say this has been going on forever then why not throw out some veiled anecdotes.
I don’t personally need to see people thrown under the bus or peoples legacy’s come into question. I would just like people to be more honest about what they know. Coaches say they know it was going on so why not start discussing it now?
I know coaches hate NIL but they also hated watching their competitors cheat. I remember Lansing discussing in an interview that he hated recruiting against some of the deals or promises that were being made. I’m sure there’s thousands of coaches and connected people with their own stories.
The fake black fraternity house was my favorite.Read the book “Caught in the Net,” written by former ISU coach Tates Locke, about his cheating at Clemson. It’s illuminating.
I love that they called it "Phony Black Fraternity..." Gotta give 'em credit, they were inventive!The fake black fraternity house was my favorite.
The fake black fraternity house was my favorite.
that's your sticking point? we should switch your job to amateur status. you get enough to pay for your housing and valuable on the job work education. meanwhile even the people making sure you dont get paid are way overpaid.as soon as the athletes pay for their own school costs, housing costs -- i'll worry about them being "exploited"
imagine an AD or university drawing the line there. They’d might as well dig their own grave.that's your sticking point? we should switch your job to amateur status. you get enough to pay for your housing and valuable on the job work education. meanwhile even the people making sure you dont get paid are way overpaid.
deal.Lets pivot.
How do you guys structure this system where everyone can compete on some semblance of equal footing?
Lets pivot.
How do you guys structure this system where everyone can compete on some semblance of equal footing?
that's your sticking point? we should switch your job to amateur status. you get enough to pay for your housing and valuable on the job work education. meanwhile even the people making sure you dont get paid are way overpaid.