Sycamores battle for the Victory Bell this week at Ball State

[sycamore tuff]

Obviously they would have done that by now if it was simply a matter of saying, "let's try winning for a change." They've shown they can't.

It's just not a priority.

 

[Bobbyk60]

Thanks for confirming my point. If we were winning, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead of business as usual or killing the program, why don't we try winning. And by winning I don't mean one or two seasons where we just barely make the playoffs. I'm talking about becoming an fcs power like many of the schools that kick our behinds every year. Then no one wants the program killed off. It wouldn't be making ISU look bad, the students would have a great experience and pride would be back.

Couldn’t have said it better. Winning will bring in more money. More attendance brings more advertising, as well as donations to the program.

 

[Gotta Hav]

Losing is all they do. It's the losing, consistently for decades now, that makes it not worth the money. The perennial losing is why we're having the discussion. The program is so bad, so abysmal, there is literally nothing else related to it worth talking about. We're not on it again, we're on it until the university actually does something about it. When you have a program so bad, it's obvious your administration just doesn't care, it reflects poorly on the university and as an alumni that reflects poorly on you. People can reasonably ask, is your school even legitimate when it doesn't bother to try? When your school accepts a D or an F performance from your head football coach and gives him a contract extension how does anyone look at it and think it can produce legitimate graduates?

You're talking about the D and F performance of our perennially losing basketball program, right? With what, just nine or ten winning seasons in the last 44 years. That's about as abysmal as it can get, but we're keeping it, right? Sure, we had our FIFTH 20 win season in 44 year last year with Schertz, and we're giddy about what Schertz has and is doing, but post-Schertz, I'm betting our program will go right back off-the-rails again. People can reasonably ask, is your school even legitimate when it appears that it doesn't even bother to try. Still smh that we've only had five, twenty-win seasons in almost half a century. But let's attack football. LOL!

 

[bent20]

You're talking about the D and F performance of our perennially losing basketball program, right? With what, just nine or ten winning seasons in the last 44 years. That's about as abysmal as it can get, but we're keeping it, right? Sure, we had our FIFTH 20 win season in 44 year last year with Schertz, and we're giddy about what Schertz has and is doing, but post-Schertz, I'm betting our program will go right back off-the-rails again. People can reasonably ask, is your school even legitimate when it appears that it doesn't even bother to try. Still smh that we've only had five, twenty-win seasons in almost half a century. But let's attack football. LOL!

LOL at your entire post.

 

[Bobbyk60]

LOL at your entire post.

You're talking about the D and F performance of our perennially losing basketball program, right? With what, just nine or ten winning seasons in the last 44 years. That's about as abysmal as it can get, but we're keeping it, right? Sure, we had our FIFTH 20 win season in 44 year last year with Schertz, and we're giddy about what Schertz has and is doing, but post-Schertz, I'm betting our program will go right back off-the-rails again. People can reasonably ask, is your school even legitimate when it appears that it doesn't even bother to try. Still smh that we've only had five, twenty-win seasons in almost half a century. But let's attack football. LOL!

Agree with your entire post.

 

[bent20]

Agree with your entire post.

There is literally nothing there to agree with. As bad as both have been, football has been worse than basketball. Basketball is coming off a winning season. Football is in the middle of a season that's been so bad they're not even remotely competitive. There have been multiple football seasons in which we've not even been competitive. Only one or two in the past 20 where basketball was as atrocious. Basketball is also cheaper to sustain and easier for a small school to be competitive at. Shifting the conversation to basketball right now is nothing short of pointless and nonsensical.

 

[Bobbyk60]

There is literally nothing there to agree with. As bad as both have been, football has been worse than basketball. Basketball is coming off a winning season. Football is in the middle of a season that's been so bad they're not even remotely competitive. There have been multiple football seasons in which we've not even been competitive. Only one or two in the past 20 where basketball was as atrocious. Basketball is also cheaper to sustain and easier for a small school to be competitive at. Shifting the conversation to basketball right now is nothing short of pointless and nonsensical.

Agree with Gotta Hav.

 

[Bobbyk60]

There is literally nothing there to agree with. As bad as both have been, football has been worse than basketball. Basketball is coming off a winning season. Football is in the middle of a season that's been so bad they're not even remotely competitive. There have been multiple football seasons in which we've not even been competitive. Only one or two in the past 20 where basketball was as atrocious. Basketball is also cheaper to sustain and easier for a small school to be competitive at. Shifting the conversation to basketball right now is nothing short of pointless and nonsensical.

Lol at your entire post.

 

[4Q_iu]

There is literally nothing there to agree with. As bad as both have been, football has been worse than basketball. Basketball is coming off a winning season. Football is in the middle of a season that's been so bad they're not even remotely competitive. There have been multiple football seasons in which we've not even been competitive. Only one or two in the past 20 where basketball was as atrocious. Basketball is also cheaper to sustain and easier for a small school to be competitive at. Shifting the conversation to basketball right now is nothing short of pointless and nonsensical.

over the past 44 years (a "convenient time span"...) MBB is 573-729 (.440) overall, 304-466 (.395) MVC with 15 winning seasons, 8 post-seasons a MVC title, 2 MVC_T titles.

over the same 44 year period, the football team is 177-291-1 (.374) overall; 91-192-1 (.323) Gateway/MVFC with 11 winning seasons, 3 post-seasons, zero MVC titles.

Move that needle forward, say the last 25 years and MBB is 376-402 (.483), 202-250 (.447) MVC with 11 winning seasons, 8 post-seasons a MVC title, 2 MVC_T titles.

the football team is 82-193 (.298) overall, 48-133 (.265) with 5 winning seasons, 1 post-season and zero MVC titles.

 

[sycamore tuff]

Like I said, It's the losing that is the problem. The administration has to demand excellence.

 

[Bobbyk60]

Like I said, It's the losing that is the problem. The administration has to demand excellence.

We wouldn’t be having this uproar about canceling football if we had a decent team. Did anybody think we were going to beat IU or Ball State? Eastern surprisingly has a pretty good team, but the turnovers are the difference.
95% of FCS and FBS teams lose money in football. It would be a mistake to get rid of the team. I think enrollment will further decline.
It’s been hashed and rehashed for several years. The University for now is NOT going to cancel football!! I believe the discussion should be about Mallory’s stubbornness about running the ball with the O Line he has, and to spread the ball around to at least have a chance to compete.

 

[bent20]

We wouldn’t be having this uproar about canceling football if we had a decent team. Did anybody think we were going to beat IU or Ball State? Eastern surprisingly has a pretty good team, but the turnovers are the difference.
95% of FCS and FBS teams lose money in football. It would be a mistake to get rid of the team. I think enrollment will further decline.
It’s been hashed and rehashed for several years. The University for now is NOT going to cancel football!! I believe the discussion should be about Mallory’s stubbornness about running the ball with the O Line he has, and to spread the ball around to at least have a chance to compete.

Mallory's and the university's stubbornness has been the discussion for more than five years. Present a solution. Try winning is not a solution or a strategy, it's just blind hope in repeated failure.

 

[sycamore tuff]

I think '96 suggested running something more creative than middle school offense.(run, run, pass, punt).

 

[bent20]

I think '96 suggested running something more creative than middle school offense.(run, run, pass, punt).

Sure, sounds fine. What's your solution for actually getting them to do it, other than posting about it on here because we've been trying that for more than five years now?

 

[sycamore tuff]

Like I said earlier. The administration needs to demand excellence.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I think '96 suggested running something more creative than middle school offense.(run, run, pass, punt).

96’ knows ball that’s for sure… I can’t believe he’s not coaching. You endorsing him is rich though. Might wanna let someone else endorse him and then piggy back.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Sure, sounds fine. What's your solution for actually getting them to do it, other than posting about it on here because we've been trying that for more than five years now?

Bro. They have no solution. They attend games. They support through thick and thin no matter what. That’s the only solution they have to offer. We’ve never wavered. Well that’s just great.

The solution for them is the coach. Then it will be the stadium. Then it will be the coach. Then it will be something else.

 

[Gotta Hav]

over the past 44 years (a "convenient time span"...) MBB is 573-729 (.440) overall, 304-466 (.395) MVC with 15 winning seasons, 8 post-seasons a MVC title, 2 MVC_T titles.

over the same 44 year period, the football team is 177-291-1 (.374) overall; 91-192-1 (.323) Gateway/MVFC with 11 winning seasons, 3 post-seasons, zero MVC titles.

Move that needle forward, say the last 25 years and MBB is 376-402 (.483), 202-250 (.447) MVC with 11 winning seasons, 8 post-seasons a MVC title, 2 MVC_T titles.

the football team is 82-193 (.298) overall, 48-133 (.265) with 5 winning seasons, 1 post-season and zero MVC titles.

Such an overwhelming winning percentage between MBB .440 and football .374. LOL!

And one period of time is (a "convenient time span"...) of 44 years versus the last 25 years that you selected isn't Cherry Picking?

How about these numbers in MBB, since the HIGH-WATER MARK of the 1979 NCAA title game.

Since 1979, we've had eleven seasons with single digit wins. ELEVEN!

• Two seasons with just four wins. WTF!
• One season with just six wins. Oh my?
• Four seasons with just nine wins. So close!
• Three seasons with seven wins. Over a decade of single digit wins in the last 44 years
• One season with eight wins. OMG!
• Here's another one. During that "convenient time" frame since the HIGH-WATER MARK, we've only averaged THIRTEEN wins per season while averaging almost SEVENTEEN LOSSES PER YEAR. That's 17, as in almost 20 losses per year for 44 years! But football is bad, really bad.

 

[sycamore_21]

These threads live on! Has b-ball ever lost to Quincy?????? Next question

 

[Bluethunder]

You know it’s a weak case to be made when the best argument you can make is to admit that your program sucks, but the other program have sucked too so it’s fine

“Your honor, my client may be a murderer, but other people he knows are murderers too, so he should be let go”

“Hey I see you thinking of buying this really crappy car. Well remember that while this car sucks and is a waste of your money, some of the cars on the lot across the street probably suck too so you should just spend your money on this one”

Such compelling arguments. I’m sold.