Would have loved to see it. He has a tough task at Presbyterian but they're 2-1 and will probably win some more games and compete in the PFL which would be a heck of a coaching job. If Mallory falters the next year or two but ISU doesn't/won't buy him out--and Presbyterian continues to get better and competes for PFL titles in the next year or two--ISU may miss the window on getting him to come home.
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The Odum Level
And six rank near the bottom which qualifies as a lot. Never said it was the entire MVC. Never said anything like that. All you did was prove my point. Six teams are shit. And no, I was not the same person. The team is awful if you're trying to argue differently, why?
Gotta Hav
The Wade Level
Common sense as in the ROSE COLORED GLASSES that are worn by most of Syc Pride fans that believe that our Basketball program isn't also a miserable men's sports team at ISU? LOL!
Maybe a visit to the Optometrist is in order to get Corrective Lenses to see that the almost 4.5 DECADE debacle of the sorry state of our Men's Basketball program is the reality.
For Example: The popular view on here that the Odum and the eleven-year debacle of Lansing were GOLDEN years, is a perfect example of the EYE DISEASE that infect so many ISU fans vision of the historical facts of this losing athletic program at ISU.
And if it all possible, please resist from attacking me personally with a bunch of you, you, you's; argue the facts that prove the aforementioned point is an inaccurate view of Syc history. Maybe just start with our ass kicking performances at Arch Madness as the start of the counterpoint argument.
What exactly is your point? That we should continue to throw good money after bad with respect to football because we’ve had bad years in basketball too?
Push away from your keyboard and call 9-1-1
you've obviously suffered a stroke
sadly, your posts are gibberish but this one...
you've obviously suffered a stroke
in the history of the university, the MBB program is worlds BEYOND football
again, push away from your keyboard and call 9-1-1
Gotta Hav
The Wade Level
I see someone is still incapable of putting together a cognitive argument, and the GO TO is to attack me personally. So childish.
Please, say again how MBB is BEYOND football. lol! How many times has the MBB program SOLD-OUT the HC in FIFTY YEARS?
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Gotta Hav
The Wade Level
Thanks for answering your own question.
I thought that MIGHT be it, but the logic behind didn’t make a lot of sense so I figured I would ask and make sure.
This is so spot on. Spending more on basketball isn't going to solve any problems in that program. Lots of schools spend way more than we do and they still suck year after year. The only reason we're more competitive today than we were is because the good teams left the conference and a few of the others fell back down to earth.
Literally never unless Larry Bird makes his once or twice a decade trip over to Terre Haute. We couldn't even quite sell out when the #2 ranked undefeated team in the country fresh off of a Final 4 appearance came to town.
As you've obviously suffered a number of TIAs, you're not capable of comprehending any discussions, cognitive or otherwise but ponder this:
MBB and football were established in the same year or consecutive years, in that time, the football program did NOT field a team for 14 season, possibly 16 in a Pre-COVID environment.
The football team has a cumulative record of 405-599-23 (.400) with four post-seasons (1948, 1983, 1984 and 2014) with a record of 2.4 (.333). The football program shares a conference title from 1964.
In reviewing all of the football coaches in ISU history, only 3 coaches with tenures of 4-yrs or more have a overall winning record - 3.
I've yet to find any former player or coach associated with the football program in the College Football Hall of Fame.
The MBB program has a cumulative record of 1,563-1,344 (.538) with 28 post-season berths; the MBB program has 1 national title, 4 national finals finishes, 2 additional 'national final four' berths, has won 12 conference titles, 3 conference tourney titles; of all of the MBB coaches, there are 9 with tenures of 4-yrs or more and a winning record. At least two people (former coaches and/or players) are in the College Basketball Hall of Fame; there are at least three people (former players or coaches) who are in the Naismith Hall of Fame.
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But spending more on football will bring success?? ISU has been doing it, this season's team is abysmal...
what's your solution? go independent and play 7-8 Top 10 teams for $$
Are those 5,000 supporting the team?
No - there ARE 8,000+ students who are paying for them team - put it to a vote...
If that 5000 was actually capable of (or even willing) supporting the team then you might have a point.
I would bet a large number of those 5k in the stands didn’t even pay for their tickets, or didn’t pay much. Many were probably given tickets. And even if they paid full price the school doesn’t charge enough to even come close to breaking even. If the school actually charged an amount even close to what they would need to in order to approach breaking even, no one would go because no one would pay that amount to watch.
You complain about adding men’s volleyball or soccer because it won’t bring in any people or money, but you support the biggest financial drain on the athletic department? Other than “I like football”, please explain how you square that one.
It can’t be. It is a losing money battle no matter how you slice it. Same as just about all FCS and FBS teams. We are no different. The 5K in attendance is also good for buying ISU gear, and good for Terre Haute economy.
This topic has reached its peak. I’ll comment on the games, but I’m done with this!
My point exactly. Spending more on football hasn't worked so why would spending more on basketball work, especially in the age of pay to play? Like BobbyK said, if you don't support the program then don't watch.But spending more on football will bring success?? ISU has been doing it, this season's team is abysmal...
what's your solution? go independent and play 7-8 Top 10 teams for $$
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So why do you continue to ask students to spend money on football then?
Because the goal of the spend is to do several things such as:
1) Develop brand recognition and/or raise school profile
2) Increase enrollment and retention
3) Increase student engagement
4) Increase alumni engagement
5) Increase community involvement
6) Increase revenue and donor giving
As I've outlined through numerous posts how college basketball is the only sanctioned revenue sport and is the one that the NCAA itself heavily promotes via March Madness, the greatest potential for hitting on these are through funding basketball vs FCS football. This isn't debatable yet you guys keep trying. No school is building off FCS football but there are MULTIPLE demonstrated cases of growth in the current era of basketball doing just that.
Exhibit A:
National spotlight from NCAA tournament could lead more students to FAU - https://www.wpbf.com/article/fau-ncaa-march-madness-enrollment-students/43412476
FAU's basketball success is helping it get more money, prestige - https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/0...ss-is-helping-it-get-more-money-and-prestige/
FAU welcomes one of largest freshman classes in history amid housing shortage - https://m.fau.edu/gu/news/detail?fe...bookmark=ee759380-0439-55a0-91d6-75beef29ebed
Finally, again, because we've tried funding football and the students, fans and community demonstrating over a decade that they did not care, how about we try something different to see if that could work?
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You keep missing the fundamental point -- even the people who DO watch, are NOT $upporting it a$ much a$ they $HOULD be $upporting it.
For the 2015-2019 seasons, Ind State avg'd 5,078; that was 87th in the nation, the ONLY Valley team that drew less was Western Illinois (4,992)
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with...ms-have-the-best-home-attendance-27b4dd82b7b6
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Neither is the basketball crowd. It's ISU, all athletics are a money drain.