Just curious - Keep football or don't?

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  • Keep

    Votes: 25 43.1%

  • Drop

    Votes: 33 56.9%
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Sycamorefan96 said:
My position is that if ISU is going to blow money on Division 1 athletics that they should sponsor the three major American sports that people will actually come out and watch.

Frankly if I was interested in watching a national brand I wouldn't have chose to root for ISU. I became an ISU fan because I'm from Terre Haute and my dad graduated from there, and I enjoy attending the games. I'm a diehard, but I'm also not delusional and I understand ISU's place in the college world. When you guys start talking about Final 4's that's when I realize that I'm arguing with delusional fans that think it's still the late 70's.

I pretty well demonstrated that if ISU dropped football that our spending would only increase by about $1M max for men's basketball which would only put us at Bradley, UNI, and MO State spending levels.

Butler, Gonzaga, Wichita, Creighton, Loyola, VCU and schools like that have resources that ISU will never have, whether we have football or not. Comparing our situation to theirs is ridiculous. They all have deep pockets and/or very wealthy donors that prop them up.
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What are the three American sports that people will actually come out and watch?
 
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I had 3 different options for male sports -- lean, fat and fat 2.

Lean:
Baseball
Basketball
XC/Track
Golf
Rifle
Tennis

Fat:
Baseball
Basketball
XC/Track
Golf
Soccer
Tennis

Fat 2:
Baseball
Basketball
XC/Track
Golf
Rifle
Swimming & Diving
Tennis

All met the NCAA requirement of 6 men's sports with at least 2 being team sports.

If people look at the expenses tab, lean is a 52.8 scholarship savings and fat is a 36.1 scholarship savings which comes out to $540k to $1.3m in aid savings alone. The funny part of my thought exercise is we'd actually be fielding more sports than we currently do in any of the models while being Title IX compliant by miles.
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the sad reality... ISU could have been in that scenario for decades
 
Bluethunder said:
Ok, let me take a shot at this…..we cut football, that’s a plus (+5,000,000), then we take (-1,000,000) of that and give it to basketball. Then we also lose (-1,000,000) because we no longer have a buy game and ticket sales from football.

So that’s 5,000,000 - (1,000,000) and another - (1,000,000) which = +3,000,000 and somehow our athletic programs are worse off?

Tell me where I missed something because that seems like some Government/Pentagon spending kind of math right there.
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Well as 4Q already mentioned you're forgetting that we'd have to add men's sports to stay D1 and Title 9 compliant.

Your numbers are slightly different from mine although your football budget could be right.

Using the numbers I found:

Athletic budget= $16.4M
FB Budget= $4.1M
MBB Budget= $2.1M
Non Revenue Sports= $10.2M

$10.2M / 12 (# of non-rev sports)= $850K per non-revenue sport.

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If ISU added two non-revenue men's sports and dropped football:

New Athletic budget= $14M
Lost Revenue from FB= $862500

16.4M - 14M= 2.4M

2.4M - 850K (rounded)= ~$1.5M in total savings for athletic department.

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If you give MBB an extra $1M:

New Athletic Budget= $15M
MBB Budget= $3.1M
Non-revenue= $11.9M

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Distribution among students (est: 8000) through fees:

*5000 fans per game for FB @ $15 p/tix @5.5 games per season. ($412K rounded down to $400K)
** $450K payday FBS game
***5000 fans per game for MBB @$15 p/tix @15 games per season ($1.125M rounded down to $1.1M)

Current= $16.4M - $1.95M= $14.45M expense;
14.45M / 8000 = $1806.25 per student

Without FB and no MBB increase= $14M - $1.1M= $12.9M expense;
12.9M / 8000= $1612.50 per student

W/O FB and $1M MBB increase= $15M-$1.1M= $13.9M expense;
13.9M / 8000= $1737.50 per student
 
More #'s with the likely board favored NO FB with $1M MBB Increase.

$15M budget with 4000 fan average= $1762 per student

......... With 3000 fan average= $1787 per student

So students would be looking at an average savings of $20-$70 in tuition savings annually without football. Considering the university seems to want football I can't see them being too persuaded to drop it with these numbers.
 

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Your logic and math are wrong. The EADA and Knight Commission sites that I've posted and referenced 100s of times is where you need to start.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
Well as 4Q already mentioned you're forgetting that we'd have to add men's sports to stay D1 and Title 9 compliant.

Your numbers are slightly different from mine although your football budget could be right.

Using the numbers I found:

Athletic budget= $16.4M
FB Budget= $4.1M
MBB Budget= $2.1M
Non Revenue Sports= $10.2M

$10.2M / 12 (# of non-rev sports)= $850K per non-revenue sport.

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If ISU added two non-revenue men's sports and dropped football:

New Athletic budget= $14M
Lost Revenue from FB= $862500

16.4M - 14M= 2.4M

2.4M - 850K (rounded)= ~$1.5M in total savings for athletic department.

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If you give MBB an extra $1M:

New Athletic Budget= $15M
MBB Budget= $3.1M
Non-revenue= $11.9M

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Distribution among students (est: 8000) through fees:

*5000 fans per game for FB @ $15 p/tix @5.5 games per season. ($412K rounded down to $400K)
** $450K payday FBS game
***5000 fans per game for MBB @$15 p/tix @15 games per season ($1.125M rounded down to $1.1M)

Current= $16.4M - $1.95M= $14.45M expense;
14.45M / 8000 = $1806.25 per student

Without FB and no MBB increase= $14M - $1.1M= $12.9M expense;
12.9M / 8000= $1612.50 per student

W/O FB and $1M MBB increase= $15M-$1.1M= $13.9M expense;
13.9M / 8000= $1737.50 per student
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No disrespect but I didn’t read your post… But these guys you’re talking to have had these conversations for years now - they’ve considered everything trust me. They know we would have to add sports. If something was omitted it wasn’t because they’ve not taken it into consideration. Like chill.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
No disrespect but I didn’t read your post… But these guys you’re talking to have had these conversations for years now - they’ve considered everything trust me. They know we would have to add sports. If something was omitted it wasn’t because they’ve not taken it into consideration. Like chill.
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Well if you read it you might actually learn something. Jason apparently doesn't like the results because it doesn't line up with what he wants, but that's okay. Clinkscales said in an article that dropping football has never been a serious consideration, and after doing the math it's easy to see why.
 

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Sycamorefan96 said:
Well if you read it you might actually learn something. Jason apparently doesn't like the results because it doesn't line up with what he wants, but that's okay. Clinkscales said in an article that dropping football has never been a serious consideration, and after doing the math it's easy to see why.
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My eyes and brain hurt… No more reading for me. Maybe with my morning coffee.
 
Bobbyk60 said:
Ya, I’m done with this topic. Any consideration about the local Terre Haute economy especially during HC? I bet The Powers To Be would not agree dropping football would be good for business.
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Good question. I’d say outside of HC really not much of an impact what do we host 6 home games all season? Other than a team filling up a hotel on a non HC weekend you’re not getting much in the way of hotel our restaurant business…

I mean take tonight for example - concert downtown at 7th and Wabash. Concert at Fairgrounds. Live music at Idle Creek. North vs South game. And that’s just the stuff I know about - I’m sitting outside in front of the fireplace with a bourbon taking in this gem of a game!!

My point is simple - Terre Haute especially with the casino coming has plenty of ish’ going on any given weekend to keep local businesses happy. In fact I think tonight so much was going on - I got carry out from Bar Bosco a wonderful local restaurant and I’ve never seen it so dead… It’s always packed and it really wasn’t tonight.

The day the “power’s that be” consider the Terre Haute business community impact when making a decision will be the day - a day - ain’t gonna happen type of day!
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Good question. I’d say outside of HC really not much of an impact what do we host 6 home games all season? Other than a team filling up a hotel on a non HC weekend you’re not getting much in the way of hotel our restaurant business…

I mean take tonight for example - concert downtown at 7th and Wabash. Concert at Fairgrounds. Live music at Idle Creek. North vs South game. And that’s just the stuff I know about - I’m sitting outside in front of the fireplace with a bourbon taking in this gem of a game!!

My point is simple - Terre Haute especially with the casino coming has plenty of ish’ going on any given weekend to keep local businesses happy. In fact I think tonight so much was going on - I got carry out from Bar Bosco a wonderful local restaurant and I’ve never seen it so dead… It’s always packed and it really wasn’t tonight.

The day the “power’s that be” consider the Terre Haute business community impact when making a decision will be the day - a day - ain’t gonna happen type of day!
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Possible that enough of the big, "right" donors insist fball exist in order for ISU to receive that annual donation....

No idea if that premise is true BUT it's possible

I know Dr. Curtis is a bigger fan of growing the endowment than raking in scads annually
 
Show of hands...

Was THAT display of ineptitude worth $500K of "attention to Indiana State"?
 
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