ISU-E is a TRANSITIONING Div I school -- that's a 4-year process... they have 3 to go
and that community is still questioning the costs, remember the "deciders" aren't paying the bill Div I bill -- it's the students
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Schertz, Sycamores announce 2023-24 Indiana State men’s basketball schedule
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ISU-E is a TRANSITIONING Div I school -- that's a 4-year process... they have 3 to go
and that community is still questioning the costs, remember the "deciders" aren't paying the bill Div I bill -- it's the students
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I’m incredibly excited about playing Alabama and Michigan State. I’m very happy about playing Rice and Toledo. Also very happy to be back at Gainbridge for a game. Let’s see, what else, having USI in our rotation is cool. Glad we get a do-over vs NIU. Also very glad we get to play a regular season tune-up game that is not an exhibition game before we play Alabama.
Complaints: Zero.
Complaints: Zero.
I don’t remember anyone shooting down the idea of playing USI yearly. What we objected to was the ridiculous notion of creating some trophy and turning it into some fake “rivalry”
I do. It was the misguided notion that we are too good to play them, in spite of the fact that they beat us last year. I think the person above who called them ISU-E demonstrates how little respect some have for them, for no justified reason.
I only have one request of this schedule. Can someone get Larry B's old hobbled ass to East Lansing one game since he won't come to TH????? I think it would be cool to come out of the locker room with him in tow. That game will get us some exposure in Lansing/ Flint MI talent pool. A lot of very good players from that area.
Exactly and on top of that some were stuck on them "transitioning" when that doesn't matter because they are a division 1 win or loss when you look at the schedule.
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that is a cool idea to round up "retro final 4s" but I guess the answer to my questions is no, we haven't played Michigan State since 1979. Kind of crazy considering Michigan State vs. Indiana State is STILL the highest rated college basketball game of all-time
the point is BECAUSE they're transitioning - they shouldn't be considered a Div I school until the transition is COMPLETE.
they're ineligible for the NCAA until the transition is COMPLETE.
Still haven't heard a reason to play them
USI being ineligible for the NCAA Tournament only affects USI.
So from ISU’s prospective, what is the difference between playing USI and EIU? Both are OVC and eligible for RPI, NET and quad rankings.
ISU-E being ineligible for the NCAA tournament affects the OVC as well.
RPI, NET and quad rankings are the backroom machinations of the Power 5 to maintain their "prominence" in the NCAA tournament.
Hold up… Just because they are not eligible for the tournament does not mean that they still don’t maintain an RPI & NET ranking. Right?! I’m asking - because I don’t know my assumption would be the still get ranked.
If not - then I can certainly see the point you are trying to make and better yet probably agree with you. But if a team isn’t collecting an RPI or NET by your logic a win or a loss can’t help or hurt Indiana State.
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USI finished 266 in the net. Most of the net and others like kenpom/torvik are just efficiency margin formulas.
My own opinion: anybody that complains about power conferences not playing indiana state and then also complains about indiana state being too big to play anybody…it just doesn’t make sense.
Well said on all fronts.
I will add I don't mind playing 1 or 2 bottom end teams to hopefully pad the win column, but if we are starting to get to the place of NCAA tournament worthiness, then scheduling matters. We don't have enough built-in rpi builders within the conference to overcome playing the 200th SOS non con. I have no issues with a couple of USI's, EIU's etc...just can't be full of them. That is why I hold the perspective I spoke about earlier. We already have a couple lower end ranked schools on the schedule and playing a non D1 instead of another low end D1 was a smart choice, IMO.
I agree with this as long as we're talking about D1 schools.
At large talk??? In today's climate the only way ISU is ever getting an at-large bid is if we win 29 or 30 games in a season, and it will have to be 29 or 30 wins against Division 1 schools. The MVC isn't even a top 10 league anymore.
The B1G, SEC, XII, ACC, BE, PAC (if they survive), AAC, MWC, A10, and WCC have all been beating out the MVC for years now. Even the SOCON, CUSA, SBC, WAC, and MAC have beaten the MVC a couple of times recently. Last season the MVC finished 15th in the NET out of 32 conferences.
The B1G, SEC, XII, ACC, BE, PAC (if they survive), AAC, MWC, A10, and WCC have all been beating out the MVC for years now. Even the SOCON, CUSA, SBC, WAC, and MAC have beaten the MVC a couple of times recently. Last season the MVC finished 15th in the NET out of 32 conferences.
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Reasons I'm complaining about SMWC:
1) There's likely a majority of people in TH think they are an all-girls school still. Stopping down to that level is embarrassing, plus our enrollment sucks, so why are we helping promote SMWC?
2) There's no upside to it. If we win it doesn't count for anything other than padding our W/L record. If we lose or it's somehow close we get made fun of for years.
3) It takes zero effort to schedule them. Just like it takes zero effort to give TCU our super regional.
4) We're Division 1, so we should act like it. Everyone plays a division lower once in a while, I got it, but playing 2 or 3 divisions lower is quite sad.
5) It's a regular season game. I'd still complain if it was our exhibition game, but scheduling Hanover, Trinity Christian, Oakland City, and now SMWC to pad the record is also pathetic.
6) We play Alabama a few days later. We'll literally learn nothing from this game and we'll get away with garbage that will lead to fast break dunks for a top tier SEC squad. I still maintain that they will rip us a new one after petering around with a girly team and beat us by 25 or 30. Completely different tier of play and we'd be better off getting an extra day of actual practice than goofing off against SMWC. We barely beat Oakland City a couple of years ago, and there's been other D2 schools and such that we were lucky to beat. The players don't care, the fans don't care, it's just a complete waste of everyone's time.
1) There's likely a majority of people in TH think they are an all-girls school still. Stopping down to that level is embarrassing, plus our enrollment sucks, so why are we helping promote SMWC?
2) There's no upside to it. If we win it doesn't count for anything other than padding our W/L record. If we lose or it's somehow close we get made fun of for years.
3) It takes zero effort to schedule them. Just like it takes zero effort to give TCU our super regional.
4) We're Division 1, so we should act like it. Everyone plays a division lower once in a while, I got it, but playing 2 or 3 divisions lower is quite sad.
5) It's a regular season game. I'd still complain if it was our exhibition game, but scheduling Hanover, Trinity Christian, Oakland City, and now SMWC to pad the record is also pathetic.
6) We play Alabama a few days later. We'll literally learn nothing from this game and we'll get away with garbage that will lead to fast break dunks for a top tier SEC squad. I still maintain that they will rip us a new one after petering around with a girly team and beat us by 25 or 30. Completely different tier of play and we'd be better off getting an extra day of actual practice than goofing off against SMWC. We barely beat Oakland City a couple of years ago, and there's been other D2 schools and such that we were lucky to beat. The players don't care, the fans don't care, it's just a complete waste of everyone's time.
Beating a dead horse two days in a row! Let’s go for three!
1. You are very weirdly hung up on the fact that this use to be an all-girls school. It's been 8 years now since they started allowing male students. Over that time they have continued to grow male sports and male enrollment. Why the F are you so hung up on the fact that this use to be an all girls school? The only thing more embarrassing than playing them is how hung up you are on the history of the school. No one cares other than you that they use to be a girls school - trust me. Weird
Counterpoint... While I disagree with you and think the majority of people in TH probably know by now that SMWC accepts both genders let's go ahead and assume for a second that you're right! I can assure you that no one that checks the box score or that's on the selection committee or fans of other schools will know or quite frankly care that SMWC was once a "girly" school - especially if you're right (you never are) and the community doesn't know! Watch this... Because if the community doesn't know it's safe to say that NO ONE ELSE KNOWS!
2. The upside is you get in work vs. someone other than ourselves - after months and months of beating on each other they now get to play someone else. Allows them to sort of get the cobwebs out and play in front of fans before you go on the road in front a ranked P5. We're not going to lose and it doesn't matter if it's close or not so you don't have to worry about it.
3. These two have absolutely nothing to do with one another - why you would make a correlation is bizarre at best.
4. We are acting like it by going on the road to play Alabama and Michigan State in the non-conference... When is the last time we had two pre-season top 25 teams on our schedule? I'll wait. You are very conveniently ignoring the fact that outside of SMWC we have put together a pretty solid non-conference schedule. You'd rather sit on here and debate this point than focus on the opportunity going on the road to a top 25 team presents.
5. Are you sure it's not going to be an Exhibition game? If it's not - I agree with you on this point it should be an exhibition game as should the other schools you listed. For instance, Illinois State opened last year with D3 Wooster College in an Exhibition game. I do agree that it doesn't make much sense to have it as a regular season game other than to pad the record...
But to your point above if it's going to take an MVC school 29 or 30 wins. In theory, if you go on the road and split with Michigan State and Alabama. Win the conference regular season title and have 28 wins - the SMWC win gets you to your 29 or 30 threshold I highly doubt that SMWC game is going to get much consideration from anyone at all - it will literally just blend in. If it doesn't, you just cross that bridge when you get their.
6. First of all - this point is redundant as you're just reiterating things you've already said... But this was profound stuff so it bares repeating: "It will lead to fast break dunks for a top tier SEC squad"... Such a hot take dude!! And another just bizarre mention of it having been a "girly" school 8 years ago. I've never seen someone be so triggered by the history of a school and how that impacts our schedule.
Counterpoint: They reached out to a handful of schools and were not able to schedule anyone else. So it was open with SMWC or open with Bama on the road. Given that he's going a lot of really new pieces maybe JS just wanted to let his guys get a run in vs. an opponent other than themselves. Maybe he had some underlying reason as to why he wanted to schedule them of which he owes us literally zero explanation as to why.
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